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Regarding all these anti maskers and anti vaxers who are now dying from Covid 19

The media is making rather a meal of this. Listing splinter religious leaders who said Jesus would protect them. As well as Freedom lovers who wont be told to mask up and conspiracy theorists who believe everything from Bill Gates microchipping a vaccine, (as if owning you through your computer, phone and smart watch wasnt enough) to Covid being a hoax or to be treated with everything from crystals to Horse de-wormer.
Their dying declarations that they should have been vaccinated, the families setting up of on line begging sites to pay for their bills and the pathetic pictures of them in Hospital beds are all making a splash. And I get it. These people are idiots and this is a public safety warning to others.
But seriously: Some are really revelling in this.. And these are people who are suffering horribly, asphyxiating slowly and painfully..And sometimes dying terrified and alone. Lets not lose our humanity over their stupidity.😷

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Kingfish1 No. I accept that and will defend your right not to get the jab.. But I get that you wont be hammering on a door that is closed to you screaming about your freedoms. Freedom is about making a choice and accepting consequences.😷

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Wiseacre · F

@Kingfish1 I'm with ya!

Candie · F

I think masks should be optional personally but encouraged. i dont know how effective the vaccine is at Delta and any new variations but it is restrictive and I think people are fed up and the economy is tanking and people can decide if they want to risk their lives or not. i don't know how it works with the vaccine percentage but pushing to try and get herd immunity seems pretty futile whatever that is. i think refusing hospital care for Covid for the non vaccinated would be fair though. they could seek out holistic doctors right? since thats why they dont want the vaccine in the first place. i mean it stinks cause there's no saying that the vaccine is 100% effective too i guess. man what a shitty situation.

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Ynotisay · M

@Candie I understand. But that's not "the economy." And 'way back when' was a whole different game. I'll bet in your 'way back when', like it was with mine, the wealthiest and large corporations were paying significantly more in taxes. That's the key factor to conditions for "regular people." But it doesn't have anything to do with 'the economy.' It's strong right now.

Candie · F

@Ynotisay well im no economics major so...

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Ynotisay Actually, on the subject of the economy you couldnt be more wrong. The US economy certainly looks reasonable from the inside, for some people. But thats all an illusion based on printed money being pumped into an economy.. What it LOOKS like is that the prices of commodities and investments is rising, for no apparent reason. But what is actually happening. (Since money is a store of value) is that the money supply is being diluted and the amount of cash it takes to buy something real. (like a ton of steel or a home) is rising. I can waffle on about this forever. But if you REALLY want an explanation you can understand I recommend you take 20 minutes and watch this. Its NOT optimistic. But it is understandable by most people.
[youtube=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1HmGLV46L60]

anythingoes477 · M

How many times would you tell someone it's REALLY stupid to sleep on railroad tracks? Then one night the train comes........as everyone outside of the asylum knows it would. Do you feel terrible remorse.......or do you say, "jeez how stupid...but my gawd they were warned and warned. What more can you do?" How sorry can one feel if the one that died was who made the conscience choice to sleep there anyway until they died?

ANYONE who gets COVID now.....when since last January a vaccine was available to make sure you have a 90%+ chance of not getting it...is getting sick purely by choice.

Wiseacre · F

@anythingoes477 nonsense..

Ynotisay · M

Good comment And yeah. I think some individuals are reveling in it. There's not much you can do about that. People will forget the reality (which, like you said, is a terrible death) because of their disdain for "the other."

But I don't believe "the media" sees it that way. Outside of the fact that prominent anti-vaxxers dying of Covid actually is news, for its irony as much as anything, I think it's a pretty clear case of trying to reach those "where they live." I also think it's working. Vax rates are up. I believe some of that has to do with people seeing those they either respected or believed being bitten by something very real and then, often, encouraging people to get the vaccine before they pass.

I think it's "the media" as a public service. Cutting through lies and bullshit to present reality is appropriate in my book. Whatever it takes so more don't die is a noble position as I see it.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Ynotisay I agree. The media have a duty to put it out there. Some of the social media response is completely brutal.😷

Ynotisay · M

@whowasthatmaskedman You're right. It's hard to see sometimes. Particularly that it seems to be coming from those who beat their chests about things like anti-bullying. What I am seeing though is those people getting shot down more. To an extent, I understand why. People who have done the right thing are again being penalized for those who haven't. But there's a humanity line that shouldn't be crossed.

krf336 · M

I am not against the vaccine, I support it. But I find it really annoying that people think the vaccine is going to eliminate the threat of Covid or from getting mutations of it.
We have the flu vaccine that changes every year to combat the new variant that is suddenly resistant to last years vaccine. Thats how these types of viruses work.
And its also funny that suddenly the flu seems to have dissapeared.

bijouxbroussard · F

People always feel the need to remind those of us who [b]are[/b] humane (that’s [b]why[/b] we wanted to protect people from this disease in the first place).
The ones who were bragging about not wearing masks or getting vaccinated were the ones who didn’t care about spreading the virus to others. What about [b]their[/b] humanity ? 😞

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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Mamapolo2016 Yes. OZ has them as well. But nothing like the numbers of the US and they are getting no traction in the media. They are treated like the Lunatic fringe.

Mamapolo2016 · F

@SwampFlower It seems such a peculiar political strategy to kill their own constituents.

bijouxbroussard · F

@Mamapolo2016 Indeed. It would be funny but for the loss of life. 🥺

ElwoodBlues · M

For many people, the statistical arguments in favor of masks and vaccines are totally compelling. Others seem to make their decisions based on anecdotes and stories.

The reports of deniers' awful deaths may help convince those who need anecdotes. Telling these stories is putting the truth in service of a social good. I can't find fault in it.

canusernamebemyusername · M

For me it's schadenfreude. If I have empathy for everything bad that happens I'd be in a hospital myself. So you kind of learn to find something good even in misery. Does my brain know how I should feel? Yes it does. But these same people would have no problem with someone else suffering in pain and slowly dying from asphyxiation. Heck you can ask them and some will admit it's only important if it happens to them.
But yeah don't lose what makes you human. Its a hard balance to take between knowing when, where and who to care about and not.

WalterF · 70-79, M

@canusernamebemyusername You must have some weird friends. I can't imagine anybody "having no problem with someone else suffering in pain and slowly dying from asphyxiation". Lotta evil monsters round where you live! Sounds like they're straight out of Hitler's Naziism!

WalterF · 70-79, M

@canusernamebemyusername And yet, MIT says this about them:

Mamapolo2016 · F

Being wrong is not legally a capital offense, and I agree. It's sad, not a cause for being vindictive.

bijouxbroussard · F

@Mamapolo2016 You’re right, though. I actually think it’s awful to have to pay with one’s [b]life[/b] for ignorance—no learning curve or opportunity to do better. 🥺

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@bijouxbroussard But that is very much the Darwinian way.. Its just that no one laughs at the zebra when the lions bring it down. Its just a harsh fact of life.😷

Mamapolo2016 · F

@whowasthatmaskedman Yes, harsh fact of life, but not an occasion for glee, like you said.

SnowBlack · 18-21, F

The media are right to make a big deal out of foolish people needlessly dying. These people didn't just kill themselves. They killed others.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@SnowBlack I cant argue with that. I just cant mock them even though that had no thought for others.😷

Keepitsimple · 51-55, F

If they don’t want to be vaccinated I’m cool with that. I’m declining functions of those who aren’t vaccinated because I don’t want to put myself at unnecessary risk if they want to be reckless with their lives. Honestly it’s their choice. If they think it’s a conspiracy so be it. I don’t want to hang around for those conversations either.,

DropTopDig ·

No vac, no sympathy.

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DropTopDig ·

@Kingfish1 there are always exceptions

Wiseacre · F

@DropTopDig 👎

InHeaven · F

the vaccinated are dying, not antivaxxers. Snap out of media coma and their bullshit

iamonfire696 · 41-45, F

@InHeaven it’s the unvaccinated but stick your head in the sand

InHeaven · F

Nope. Unfortunately, vaccinated. I hope they are safe and sound and well and no such horrible thing happens to anyone.@iamonfire696 Or you can continue on keeping your head stuck in ...a place . If you want, completely your choice. You are the one damaging your heart. God only knows what the long term damage will be.

iamonfire696 · 41-45, F

@InHeaven you are wrong but good luck.

SirenCalledLuce · F

It Jesus was that powerful, Lourdes wouldn’t have shut it’s healing pools during the pandemic. Instead people sound he queued en massed for them.

InHeaven · F

Where do you see antivaxxers dying. On TV?I can not believe there are still some this brainwashed. Unbelievable

Grateful4you · M

This is one I faciliate with. On one hand the imperative to treat STAT, whilst on the other hand folks admitted to the ER with serious, acute medical issues are being treated sencondarily, I have a problem with that issue.

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Grateful4you · M

@whowasthatmaskedman You would think so wouldn't you. I have no problem with someone claiming the "Right" to no vaccine, I DO have a problem with them wanting a bed that others need for other acute illnesses who are already vaccinated.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@Grateful4you I agree emotionally. Fortunately in most cases they are self sorting. Non vaccinated people who contract Covid and end up in hospital have much worse odds of survival. So in a triage situation they will go to the bottom of the pile. I still dont like that. But there is some justice there.😷

Grateful4you · M

@whowasthatmaskedman I haven't been a medical clinician in decades. I would have a terrible time expecting someone with terminal cancer to be sent home on account of no beds. Palliative care is a need often not able to be provided in a home setting. This is no easy subject for empathetic medical professionals I'm sure.

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