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Coercion - "the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats."

Like jobs saying you will get fired for not getting the vaccine.

Like unemployment denying your claim because "you could have just agreed to the shot".

Like not allowing you into any place of entertainment without a vax card. no gyms, stores, malls, movies, concerts, restaurants.

Like making your insurance premiums go up because you didn't get the shot.

Like my state, who is giving out a vax lottery to entice people to take it.

Like the people who shame, disown, and unfriend you, for you deciding what you want in your OWN body and calling you selfish.

Like those who want hospitals to ignore the unvaxxed.

Sick, unethical, immoral, bullies.

and that's just fact. literal definition of coercion.

and another simple fact, if the vaccine worked, and masks worked, you all have nothing to fear! How can I hurt you?

definition of "vaccine" - A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

not, "oh you can still get sick with the vaccine....just less."

are you serious? I mean are you?

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SnowBlack · 22-25, F

The death dealing anti-vaxx people should know that there's a price tag to their foolish irresponsibility.

For example, Delta airlines has to pay out $40,000 each time an employee needs hospitalization, so it's fair that their un-vaccinated employees are charged $200 per month towards health coverage.

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PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@HellsBelle https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/six-important-things-know-about-breakthrough-infections-180978408/ under the heading "Breakthrough infections typically cause mild to moderate symptoms."

The preponderance of evidence suggests that the vaccines are highly effective against hospitalization and death for all variants,” says Kate Ellingson, an epidemiologist at the University of Arizona. Those who are fully vaccinated who develop breakthrough infections are likely to have mild to moderate illness, if they develop symptoms at all.

Another benefit of the vaccines is that they likely shorten the length of illness for many individuals who do become infected. In a study published in June, Ellingson and her colleagues found that vaccination reduced disease severity and duration of illness in healthcare workers and other first responders who reported breakthrough infections. Vaccinated participants had a 58 percent lower risk of fever and also reported two fewer days sick in bed, and an overall length of illness that was six days shorter than that of unvaccinated individuals on average.

the study itself: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058

HellsBelle · F

@PDXNative1986 much love to you, and your dedication. I seriously appreciate your comment. I do love long comments (no sarcasm I promise). however, I am retiring for the night on this subject. I have not read all that but I know people will be interested. lets chalk it up to, I am stubborn, and you are smart. goodnight. really concise, annotated, comment. thanks for the banter but I just want to control whats in my system. it is honestly the only thing I "own"....my body.

PDXNative1986 · 36-40, MVIP

@HellsBelle good to know, gave me time to polish the now edited comment.

BlueVeins · 26-30

So are you also coerced by hospitals who give you higher rates if you're not insured and/or employers who may fire you for smoking weed off-hours or speaking ill of their products? Genuine question.

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BlueVeins · 26-30

@HellsBelle The US is the only developed country that has a heavily-privatized system. And while our privatized system is unfair to poor people and highly inefficient in general, making people pay more for health insurance if they do unhealthy things is a good way to get them to bear the full cost of their actions. A public sector equivalent to this is a pigouvian tax. But basically, if you don't charge people more money for the increased healthcare they consume, they're essentially pushing part of their consumption cost onto the rest of the population.

This isn't relaly the case with vaccine mandates since few places appear to be instituting a fee for going unvaccinated. But that's probably necessary, unfortunately, since being unvaccinated affects other people's health as well in the grand scheme of things.

HellsBelle · F

@BlueVeins but if a vaccine worked it should NOT affect anything. the unvaccinated can go about their day. they do not harm anyone. because the vaccine should work. and the vaccinated say no, it doesnt, we get sick, just "less". WTF??

BlueVeins · 26-30

@HellsBelle Problem is, the more viruses are able to spread around, the more they can mutate and potentially develope adaptations that allow it to withstand the effects of the vaccine. This has sort of already been happened to a limited extent; while the vaccines are still effective against Delta, they appear to be marginally less effective than they are against Alpha, which matters relatively little in the short term, but doesn't bode well for the long term if we keep this up.

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HellsBelle · F

@MarmeeMarch no. we wont even get that lucky. no money payout for adverse reactions. pfizer is aiming for an "indemnity clause". which means....they will not be responsible, legally, for anything bad that happens with the vaccine.

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HellsBelle · F

@MarmeeMarch big companies and people with money will never go down. sad to say. if you know one that has, please let me know

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HellsBelle · F

@LvChris I disagree. I am saddened that the U.S has resorted to coercion to get people to put something in their body that they do not want

mikeylyksit · 46-50, M

@HellsBelle https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

HellsBelle · F

@mikeylyksit my dear this convo has ended. I have seen this info. thank you.

HellsBelle · F

the scariest thing is.....many people....damn Id say 70 percent of people....think it SHOULD be that way. that people SHOULD be forced to take the vaccine. its scary AF

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HellsBelle · F

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yep. basically smoking us all out. and the others...they think its ok and normal. i am mind boggled

Lilnonames · F

All true words

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