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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
Yeah.. nah.. I think we love our beautiful cheap oil too much..
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
I used to like Tesla until I found out how shitty Musk treats his workers. Terribly underpaid, notoriously bad safety regulations, employees get grievously injured or even killed while on the job and his company does everything they can to not pay out workers' compensation. Plus, Musk himself smokes weed live on camera with Joe Rogan yet still fires his employees if they have THC in their system during a blood test, even in states where marijuana is legal.
ZeroFox · 36-40, M
@BlueMetalChick So you liked Tesla up until one week ago?
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@ZeroFox One week ago? No it's been almost 18 months since I found out about Musk's fuckery. The weed thing was a week about but reports on how terrible he treats his workers hit the press last year already.
And I already had a bone to pick with Musk over what he does with SpaceX because that's despicable right from the start.
And I already had a bone to pick with Musk over what he does with SpaceX because that's despicable right from the start.
ZeroFox · 36-40, M
@BlueMetalChick 😂🤣
toddr13 · 46-50, M
Tesla lost its cachet when it started to chase the mass market, which it needs to do in order to be profitable. That, and the Model X and the Model S were not exactly the most reliable, or easily repaired. Anyone I know who bought one of the early Teslas wanted the exclusivity, and were leaving Jaguar, Mercedes, and BMW. As a concept, I do hope Tesla succeeds, but the leadership needs to change because it's an auto company, not a tech company, which is part of the struggle that the company has had, where a self-congratulatory visionary leader sees the company as a reflection of his own ego.
Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, GM, Toyota, Honda, and Ford are all working on electric vehicles, but the full electric market is still a niche market. Toyota was incredibly successful with the introduction of the Prius and the hybrid drive train in 1997, gas-electric, and then a full plug-in electric option from 2012. The Prius is also exceptionally reliable, just boring and plain. In comparison, the Model S was fresh, sleek, and unique, but the Model 3 looks too similar for half the price or less, whereas a Lexus LS hybrid looks nothing like a Prius, yet both are Toyota. Similar design language in a Premium platform is to be expected, from Jaguar and BMW to Mercedes and Rolls-Royce, but the top models are differentiated enough in look, features, and performance, something lost with Tesla as it seems to a project-oriented company, operating as a tech firm, not a full range auto manufacturer.
Major manufacturers support what consumers will buy, no doubt, but the demand isn't there yet. Also, the infrastructure for recharging is woefully inadequate to begin to mandate all electric vehicle fleets for everyone. Even Tesla has struggled as there are more vehicles on the market wanting to use the same charging stations. Petroleum based fuels are much more widely and evenly distributed, at present, so without a major switch in the way vehicles are powered with convenience and real-world sensibilities, all-electric is not practical in all applications.
Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, GM, Toyota, Honda, and Ford are all working on electric vehicles, but the full electric market is still a niche market. Toyota was incredibly successful with the introduction of the Prius and the hybrid drive train in 1997, gas-electric, and then a full plug-in electric option from 2012. The Prius is also exceptionally reliable, just boring and plain. In comparison, the Model S was fresh, sleek, and unique, but the Model 3 looks too similar for half the price or less, whereas a Lexus LS hybrid looks nothing like a Prius, yet both are Toyota. Similar design language in a Premium platform is to be expected, from Jaguar and BMW to Mercedes and Rolls-Royce, but the top models are differentiated enough in look, features, and performance, something lost with Tesla as it seems to a project-oriented company, operating as a tech firm, not a full range auto manufacturer.
Major manufacturers support what consumers will buy, no doubt, but the demand isn't there yet. Also, the infrastructure for recharging is woefully inadequate to begin to mandate all electric vehicle fleets for everyone. Even Tesla has struggled as there are more vehicles on the market wanting to use the same charging stations. Petroleum based fuels are much more widely and evenly distributed, at present, so without a major switch in the way vehicles are powered with convenience and real-world sensibilities, all-electric is not practical in all applications.
MarmeeMarch · M
Oh sure and the oil companies will just say --- oh ok see ya.
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ZeroFox · 36-40, M
@MarmeeMarch Do those number represent just the US market or global?
MarmeeMarch · M
@ZeroFox global but it is still alot
ZeroFox · 36-40, M
@MarmeeMarch Also, remember in Canada oil production is nationalised. So if they want to cut production they can and will, the government owns the oil company. It's like that in most counties.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
Prediction: Environmentalists who drive electric cars will commit mass suicide when they finally realize that the majority of the electricity powering their cars comes from coal fired power plants...
nedkelly · 61-69, M
The motor car industry is just as power as the NRA just watch Tesla collapse as the owner is a egotistic jerk