I have this recurring thought…

@Ferise1 drowning is one of the most peaceful ways to die. I don’t think you should make generalizations without knowing what you’re talking about and who you’re talking to…

@Ferise1 And that’s just you. Not me. I learned how to surf in water that’s 52° F in the summer and frequented by the “men in gray suits” which keeps the kooks away. As far as wave size it ranges but the fall is the best. 12 foot is not 12 foot Hawaiian…

@RunTheJulz it’s not a matter of how well you can surf, it’s a matter of how close you came to drowning. I saw a documentary on the 2004 tsunami and the people who lost loved ones to drowning knew exactly what drowning was…. They were crying and scared and they described exactly what it’s like to drown.

@Ferise1 I saw a documentary about the evacuation of the last US Forces in Afghanistan and it was graphic and unflinching. Yet I still don’t know what it feels like to be in a crumbling security situation in a country on the verge of collapse at the end of an international conflict that was an active war zone. It doesn’t matter what you think you know from what you saw on a screen. I have been in a country where I stuck out like a sore thumb because I am about 6-12” taller and blonde. One of my travel companions didn’t follow the suggestions and was talking on her cell phone while walking down the street and she was the target of a snatch and grab with the thief running out into traffic so he could get away from me because I reactively took off running after him and dropped the bags of groceries in my hands. I lost my flip flops and my sunglasses when I tried to dodge the cars and I am told that I could have been seriously hurt by the accomplices who typically wait in a spot where the thief runs by so they can “eliminate” any possible threat to their successful theft. I know what it feels like to be a targeted victim.
I have seen 3 people drown on the bigger days at surf breaks like Mavericks and 3 at Ocean Beach SF. One person, a civilian was saved by a fire fighter who was breaking the law by using a jet ski to act as water safety and emergency services flew him to a nearby hospital for an induced coma that gave his body a chance to survive. However another surfer was the second professional surfers to die in 25 years in the same spot. Death doesn’t care about skill or logic.
I have seen a person jump to their death from the Golden Gate Bridge while I was getting out of the water at Fort Point. I didn’t realize that it was a person until someone in the water was nearly landed on and yelled for someone to call 911.
I have seen people die in various ways at backcountry and designated ski areas and didn’t think it affected me as much as the freak fatal accidental death by drowning of a child in a swimming pool. Which still haunts me to this day because I was redundant in the sense that 8 nurses and a doctor spent over 45 mins giving CPR as I could only watch and wait to direct the responding ambulance that was only useful for the transportation of a young corpse.
It doesn’t matter what you think you’ve seen or what you’ve been through (even first hand) because everything is different for everyone. No two people are alike and no two experiences can establish a rule. Even if you think you know what you know, you can’t know what you don’t know. Known unknowns and unknown unknowns are just that… and nothing more.

@RunTheJulz just try holding your breath for as long as you can and imagine that you’re not allowed to breathe out again
It’s not difficult

@Ferise1 Just try imagining that your limits are not the same as the limits of others. It’s not hard. You = you. Other people = not you.

@RunTheJulz doesn’t matter where your limits are if you can’t breathe any more you will be in atrocious suffering and having to make an atrocious effort with your diaphragm

You have a really low IQ hey?

@Ferise1Your cognitive dissonance has severely impaired your ability to understand alternative reality and your lack of understanding and reasoning skills leads me to believe that you believe IQ is actually a measure of intelligence rather then just the intelligence quotient for one particular parameter. And the fact that you have chosen this particular means to go on an “attack” of the genuine topic at hand shows that you feel threatened by anything that is introduced to your limited knowledge base and your lower level intellect. Life must be difficult with a cognitive bias and blind spot of the mind that you seem to possess. Unable and unwilling is a very difficult combination… hey? lol

@Ferise1 So this is your piss poor excuse for a debate about a topic which seems to have eluded you as if it were a popsicle in a blast furnace…
I guess if you don’t even try, you can convince yourself that you have achieved some kind of success. Meanwhile back in reality you lost point set match with out even raising your racket…
Let me guess… participation trophies are the only thing that you’ve ever won. lol 🏆

@Ferise1 Ok so by your “logic” to use the term VERY loosely, wtf do you believe that you are talking about??

@RunTheJulz the discussion is pretty easy to follow, (but not for you obviously because you have an IQ of about 30), it’s about how drowning is a horrific experience.

@Ferise1 Given that you’ve never drowned yourself and I’ve actually seen several people drowned before I would say that you are far from the expert that your delusional misguided self claims to be. Then again you could always do the world a huge favor and… well if you can’t figure it out then maybe you should just stfu.

@RunTheJulz I’ve seen drowning victims. They had an absolutely awful facial expression you could tell they had suffered beyond imagination. And I came close to drowning. I already told you and I know exactly how horrific it is.
But if anyone deserves it, it’s you. So go out there swim as far as you can.😂😂😂

@Ferise1 close to drowning isn’t the topic at hand. And facial expressions aren’t a metric for anything. Just going by your facial expression it’d be pretty obvious to deduce that you’re single but it’s not a guarantee. After this brief introduction through this conversation though I would say that it’s a pretty solid confirmation that you repel any mildly intelligent individuals without fail… so I guess you could say that you are a success in that regard. Otherwise, well as I was taught by my mother that if I can’t say anything nice…

@Ferise1 Wrong again. Well if nothing else, you certainly are capable of consistently being wrong. ☺😊

@RunTheJulz you’re going round in circles. Just try to stop breathing right now to see what it’s like.

@Ferise1 Takes two to tango… you seem to have last word syndrome. Good luck with that. Might want to get your eyes checked too. Unfortunately no prescription glasses or contacts can help with delusions of grandeur when it comes to self image issues…

@RunTheJulz no you’re the one going round in circles. I ended this discussion long ago and totally annihilated you beyond all measure. You lost so bad in this argument that it’s actually funny. There’s no way to measure how badly you lost. It’s totally outside of all conventional measures.
As for last word syndrome, we were just finishing the discussion because you had trouble understanding the topic at hand.

@RunTheJulz how’s it going Scrud?
Do you have the courage to see how badly you’ve been beaten?

Are you gonna try and fight or just throw more weak ad hominems?😂😂😂

@Ferise1 Why would you say this? It has nothing to do with what you think you’re saying. Drowning in the sense that you’re evidently trying to envision has nothing to do with holding breath. It has to do with the human body’s reflex to suck in water and once the lungs have been filled with water the oxygen in the body’s bloodstream is used up and the brain slowly starts to die. 5-10 minutes without air is the point of brain death. To the victim (for lack of a better term) experiencing the effects of hypoxia fades out slowly and peacefully once the last remaining oxygen in the blood in the brain is used up.
I think you’re mistaking that reality and fact for the variety of reasons and situations that have put the decedent into the series of events that can and will lead to drowning.
“Cart before the horse” type mistake on your part. But if you really want to see if I’m right and you’re wrong by all means please do go ahead and try for yourself…