New levels of stupidity have been reached

@TheBlackPowerRanger yes that's what I said 👍

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@Crushedstrawberries yeah, sadly, those two statements are so perfectly in agreement

@TheArbitrator whas dat :v

@TheBlackPowerRanger Latasha Harlins (January 1, 1976 – March 16, 1991) was a 15-year-old African-American girl who was killed by Soon Ja Du (Hangul:두순자), a 51-year-old Korean American convenience store-owner. Du was tried and convicted of voluntary manslaughter in Harlins' death. Although the maximum sentence was 16 years, Judge Joyce Karlin sentenced Du to time served, five years of probation, 400 hours of community service, a $500 restitution, and funeral expenses. The death of Latasha Harlins, which was recorded on security footage, and the later sentencing and failed appeal, are considered to have contributed to the 1992 Los Angeles riots, especially the targeting of Koreatown, Los Angeles. Harlins' death came 13 days after the videotaped beating of Rodney King.

@TheArbitrator why are you promoting division? There are cases of Asians altruistically helping black people as well. Why do you not balance this evil with good? Where are you trying to sway me with such divisive and extreme cherry picking from 1992 and before?

@TheBlackPowerRanger I'm merely offering a possible premise as to why blacks are reluctant to jump on the 'save the Asian' bandwagon. If you're not swayed by the totality of the circumstances, there's probably nothing I can do to convince you. Most Asians subscribe to negative stereotypes about Blacks.

@TheArbitrator without any doubt, the culture of Asians follows white supremacy in disrespecting and dehumanizing fellow human black people. This mentality of cultural superiority and imperialism has been around for a long time. That doesn't mean a general blanket statement like that is by any means acceptable or even remotely true. Further cutting a deep wound will not mend.

I agree that black people have no obligation to support Asians who are comfortable with watching blacks suffer. This [b]is[/b] why people would rather let racist Asians taste what it's like to lack support when they need it too against manifestations of white supremacy. However, there are many good Asians who stand against oppression even if they do not like black people and they would support black people in a heartbeat. It is for them we stand.

@TheBlackPowerRanger you cannot pick and choose, if you claim that black people have no obligation to support Asians unless those Asians have supported them before, then that is already part of the problem. The same could be said during the BLM movement, we could go back and forth about the level of support being equal to their contribution. Have asians been the blunt end of many jokes, have they been treated poorly due to how they speak or look? Havnt black people? Should racist black people also deserve to be treated to injustice?

To say "racist asians [get a] taste of what it's like to lack support against manifestations of white supramacy" just shows how ignorant this whole situation is. You cant say we stand with Asians because there are good apples who will stand for us, it should be for the fact that injustice towards one minority is unacceptable and hurting one will hurt all. Focusing so much on the ethnicity & their efforts of one vs another is exactly the problem

@Crushedstrawberries I hear you. My statements are a refutation to those who seek to justify not helping Asians because they have racists among them. If you read carefully what I was responding to, it was a select case of racism towards blacks from an Asian woman that was pointing towards the notion that this was reason enough not to help the Asian community.

Also, pay close attention here:
I stand with you that minority efforts against supremacist oppression is an [b]all for all[/b] effort. But you need to have a bit of a wider scope here. You say:
[quote] You cant say we stand with Asians because there are good apples who will stand for us [/quote]

Our morality should be [u]just[/u] (meaning blindly fair to all where everything is put in its place and everyone gets what they deserve).
Here is a hypothetical situation I would like for you to consider that is heavily related to this concept:

[i]Suppose those good apples didn't exist and all Asians are a single unit that is literally oppressive and racist to black people and had no problem with blacks being oppressed. If some white people in a white majority area, such as here in America, started oppressing this Asian minority, black people have only two choices:
1. To help support these Asians with no good apples
2. To not support these Asians with no good apples

Would you be suggesting that it is the right thing for black people to do to protest in favor and support of people who would be oppressing them with absolutely no good apples in there?[/i]

@TheBlackPowerRanger I read your response as well as where you agreed black people have no obligation to support racist asian people. I follow the belief that two wrongs do not make a right, so to be petty and encourage the racisim towards a racist person continues the cycle and change will never happen. Hence why I pointed out you can not pick and choose.

If that was the purpose of your response, I think it's appropriate to point out how white supremacy created the divide between asians and other minorities. It stereotyped one group to be above another and those effects are clearly bleeding into this generation where it fits perfectly with how you said people view it as Asians finally getting what they deserve, despitethe fact that Asians are no exception to being targeted due to their ethnicity even before covid.

I've read your scenario you put out however I have no intention in responding to it for the sole fact of how pointless it would be to apply an imaginary situation like that to the harsh reality.

@Crushedstrawberries if you wish to sweep the hypothetical under the rug, that's fine. Hopefully it becomes clear how no sides deserve any favorable privilege and how it is not fair to be requested to aid people who are against you, no matter who planted the hostility. Everyone should be against oppression.

I actually agree with you that it will take forgiveness to break the cycle and I am for it. I like the idea of black people and Asian people mending their divide and coming together to support one another.

This requires the cleansing of any racial prejudices and superiority complexes in both black and Asian communities and a request for forgiveness from both parties and hopefully, an equal foot forwards in the future. The next time a call for help is heard, let us see all come forth together.

@TheBlackPowerRanger it's not simply sweeping under the rug; it's not even acknowledging bc it has no purpose in this discussion.

Lol I think what is strange is the undertone of gratefulness that you're insinuating Asians should feel if they are supported. Why is it seen Asians have to ask? Should people not be appalled of the atrocities directed toward Asians and not want to stand up in support?

It is expected considering those who supported the BLM movement fought for the same things now another group is fighting for, and rather than join forces they choose to make it a fight between each other. If we are talking about what is not fair, we should talk about how it is not fair the treatment Asians are receiving from both ends of the spectrum. Look at how the model minority status they never claimed hurts them and instead of supporting them, there is further unnecessary tension. Everyone should be against oppression, yes. Then why make this about one's ethnicity? If you were for the fight during the BLM movement what is holding you back here? That is the problem.

I think that is required for all of humanity for a step in the right direction but ultimately unlikely because of human nature.