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I think the vast majority of homeless people are lost causes

Full distinction, this isn't to say that they deserve to be homeless. Some do, for sure, but for the majority there are circumstances that makes it exorbitantly difficult and costly to integrate them into general society.

As someone that likes data and statistics as much as I do, I don't really have much of an empirical argument here. This is mostly based on my own observations and on the testimony of others that have direct experience working with or adjacent to the visibly homeless, as well as those who have been homeless themselves.

For many compassionate, well-meaning, civilized people, it's easy to think that the homeless are largely comprised of those who are down on their luck or lost their homes or jobs and are unhoused purely for economic reasons. Those types undoubtedly exist, but from what I've gathered it's a relatively small segment of the larger population.

Not that I'm not particularly fond of generalizing such a large group of people, especially with regards to this topic, because it's fraught with an assortment of heart-wrenching cases of children, those aged out of foster homes, those escaping abuse, those kicked out for being gay or trans, or those who are physically unable to work due to disability. I'm not proposing to institutionalize or otherwise abandon such vulnerable people that probably just need a little help.

My main argument is based on the reality that a large majority of homeless people are either severely mentally ill or dealing with substance abuse addictions. And I don't say this to dehumanize them. In many instances there are traumatic events or abusive/neglectful childhoods that pushed these people to this life. At some point in their upbringing, these people were faced with issues they simply couldn't cope with, and it made their problems progressively worse.

Many have issues with emotional reactivity or poor impulse control or problems with authority in general because of how they were raised. They may not able to quite grasp they full extent of their actions and have more likely than not burned through many jobs and relationships on their way to the streets. It's difficult to say how many of them are victims of their own actions and how many just never really had a fair chance at life. For what it's worth I do believe there's a tragic chain of causality behind their problems, but what exactly to do about it is the more pressing matter.

In some cases, a little housing stability and job opportunities are all people really need to get going in life and find their way to greener pastures. I'm not opposed at all to solutions that help those best able to get on their feet. It's the much broader segment of the population that needs years and years of therapy just for the vague hope that all of their toxic thought patterns can be rewired and reworked into constructive ones. I just don't believe that it's really possible in the majority of cases.

We know from inmate statistics that there is an extremely high rate of recidivism among those convicted of crimes. Even after enduring years enclosed in concrete and iron with the dregs of society, around 70% end up getting re-arrested within 5 years according to DOJ statistics. If there was a 7 in 10 chance that a criminal would commit another crime upon release, no sane person would advocate for letting them out again. It's just not fair or safe for the rest of society to push this person's problems on everyone else.

That said, I do think it's important to at least think about the 30% that stay clean, like what specific factors contribute to their success and how can it best be replicated. Likewise, it's important to identify what can realistically help the long-term homeless find their way to self-sufficiency.

But the strategies that we have now in the US to address homelessness are incredibly inefficient and in some cases may be making the problems worse. For all the billions that keep being spent on homelessness, there's been very little progress made, if any. While we do want to be humane and empathetic to people who live such rough and brutish lives, we should also be realistic and at least try to figure out just how much money and resources is it going to take to get exactly where we want to go. Because so far, no matter how much money gets allocated towards homeless services, it never seems to be more than a bandaid on a gaping wound.

And perhaps the issue is that there just isn't enough money and manpower being thrown at the problem to properly address it, my personal belief is that you just can't save people who refuse to try to save themselves.
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The mental illness problem is due to RWR.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@SomeMichGuy Yeah, he does bear some of the blame for sure, but mental institutions were being phased out for a while before he put the final nail in the coffin.

According to some posters here, there were visible homeless long before Reagan, so it's not clear exactly how much he really contributed to the problem, but it's a complex issue. He certainly didn't help, that's for sure
@TinyViolins Those posters should look up what he did. It closed huge mental hospitals.

It might be news to persons your age, but it is not to persons my age.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@SomeMichGuy I believe they all referenced it, and so did I. But I was just digging into it and it seems like deinstitutionalization was happening since the 1950s, and certain states started pushing for it in the 60s. He does deserve some blame, but it's inaccurate to place all of it on him