Recently a friend said they don't believe in a Creator because they could make a better reality

@Pikachu we don't need it as a comparison but we need an unrestricted life

@Axeroberts

Why do we need that?

@Pikachu otherwise it makes no sense to create

@Axeroberts

What makes you think there needs to be restriction in order to have a world without suffering?

@Pikachu just look at the world. If you remove all the bad then that to me is a restriction

@Axeroberts

That's because you're looking at this world and and thinking what would have to be removed.
There must only be restriction if the universe is created to have conflict and suffering. If a universe is created without that framework then there is nothing to restrict.

If you don't want a world where an adult will sexually assault a child then create a people to whom such an act would be as unnatural to them as trying to breath water.

@Pikachu He can't be happy unless other people are suffering. I'm fully convinced that's it.

@Pikachu then we restrict our freedom. People should take responsibility for their actions

@LordShadowfire no I am understanding why we have both in our world.

@Axeroberts Nope. There is absolutely no reason why it is necessary for children to starve to death in this world.

@LordShadowfire of course not. Human greed

@Axeroberts And yet God could solve the problem with a snap of his fingers.

@LordShadowfire could He? Is that the purpose. Humans should take responsibility and stop blaming this Being they don't believe exists

@Axeroberts The Bible says he made it rain food. Are you saying that didn't happen, or just that he wouldn't do it again, because he no longer cares?

And by the way, we don't blame a being who doesn't exist. We just point out that if there [i]was[/i] such a being, and he didn't feed all the children who have starved to death since we've been arguing over this, he's either uncaring or evil.

@LordShadowfire I don't subscribe to the bible. It's a spiritual book not a text book 🙄

@Axeroberts Okay, so where [i]do[/i] you get your dogma?

@Axeroberts

[quote]Then we restrict our freedom[/quote]

Nope.
You're still thinking in the context of this world that we live in.

There is absolutely no reason why a creator being couldn't create people to whom the act of doing harm is as against their nature as flapping their arms and flying into the sky.

You still decide what you do with your life, who you love, what makes you happy, where you want to live and on and on. It's just that your neighbour won't rape your daughter and a hurricane won't destroy your town and your mother won't get cervical cancer.

@Pikachu But don't you see? He wants to live in a world like that. Why would you restrict his freedom to watch his daughter get raped and his mother died of cancer? Such unimaginable suffering is the spice of life that makes it worth living!

@LordShadowfire i don't support it as you imply. But you are free to believe what you want

@Pikachu and you are smart enough to know what purpose a Creator has. Thanks I needed a laugh today

@Axeroberts [quote]i don't support it as you imply.[/quote]
I'm not implying jack shit. I'm saying it flat out. You keep saying that suffering makes life meaningful. I'm just examining that statement and taking it to its logical extent. If you don't like the implications of that, maybe stop saying it.

@LordShadowfire we need good and bad for life to have its meaning. Yes I am saying that. A life full of sunshine and lollipops as you would like is meaningless. Look at the big picture

@Axeroberts I have literally never said that it has to be all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows. You're the one insisting that little kids must get cancer in order for life to have meaning.

@LordShadowfire you want everything good 🤗

@Axeroberts You want suffering, pain, starvation, and loss to continue.