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Do you think we are wishful thinking, in a God?

Sometimes in life Ill think, Im lucky to be alive. Theres times on the road a speeding car alnost creamed me, and just life in general I think, maybe someone is watching over me. But then I think of my aunt, who recently had a rare disorder that caused oxygen to be deprived, rashes. It would eat her own immune system they told her, and it did. One day, only having it a couple months, she said, I dont want to die. 😟 A month later, she passed from that horrible disease. Why wasnt anyone watching out? Was it truly just her time, at only 57??
And you hear of little kids...recently a boy kept a knife under his pillows because his mom was violent. Thinking ahead at a young age for protection. And then, his mother took the knife, and literally stabbed him in the back, and he died. An innocent little being. Was there someone watching over him????? 😢 While I do believe there must be some higher power and am astoundingly grateful for life, Its hard wondering theres a being watching us or that loves us etc, when you think of those examples.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Coralmist
how is extreme horror or pain , disease etc

It is extreme and painful. Although I suspect that you just got sloppy and didn't ask the question you meant to ask.

God never promised smooth sailing to anyone. The Bible actually makes it quite clear that faith in Jesus Christ does not guarantee a good life, but a perfect eternity.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Budwick well put dude . You have some really good insight . I’d love to read more comments from you like this and less about politics .
Budwick · 70-79, M
@AthrillatheHunt Thanks.
I admit my attention is drawn heavily toward saving my country.
Maybe saving souls should be tended to as well.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@Coralmist Everyone has questions Coral.
Even more so in troubled times.
I am suggesting that you bring your burdens to Jesus instead of Similar Worlds.
Best of luck to you.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I dont believe in the christian god of the bible or the bible or jesus . For starters the bible was written nearly 2000 years after jesus was meant to have been born , Jesus was born well after Roman rule had ended so the roman governor they said was ruling was long dead before jesus was even born . The bible says jesuses dad and jesus himself were carpenters even that is wrong as history has proved he was a stone mason or builder all these facts are proven without doubt . If adam and eve were the first humans where did cave men come from or dinosaurs ? Its is all a load of nonsense and the bible written by madmen and the church grabbed on it to try and control people . The bible has been proven to be totally wrong and well out of date . Since it has been translated so many times , no one actually knows what the original writing was and how much has been added by churches monks etc .
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Rhode57 I agree most of it is a mash of myths, legends, fragments of distorted history and simple statements if particular religious beliefs, but you are wrong about its age.

If it had been written when you claim, it would be late-19 or early-20C age. IF Jesus existed as and when claimed the New Testament tales started to be set down within the first 2 or 3 centuries AD when Christianity started to form as more than just a minor Jewish sect.

The Old Testament is an anthology of ancient Jewish writings from around 500BC, and with some differences including their order, these also form the Torah.

Whatever the unknown scribe who concocted Genesis really meant, no-one except a few rabidly fundamentalist types terrified of questioning it, takes it literally these days. Even its writer, who genuinely would have known nothing about astronomy, geology and palaeontology, may have meant it metaphorically - but we cannot know that.

It does though contain hints of being written by and for a priestly caste of tribal rulers intent on pushing their own religious beliefs as part of trying to weld a bunch of tribes into a single society.

I've wondered if the "In the beginning...." phrase and consequent text might actually be part of a Year 0 concept - rather as we saw in our own times with the far crueller and far more crass Khmer Rouge. Meaning, "Errr, yes, there were people and societies with their own religions before we Hebrews but we must not talk about them". If so, it certainly worked though its author could never have dreamt of it inspiring 6000-year-old-Earth enthusiasts in far-away lands 6000 years after his own life!

The whole lot though has passed through many editors and translators so it's hardly surprising it cannot be taken as an accurate account - though details like Jesus' and his father's trades are really not that important. It is though worth considering that for centuries the Church of Rome used its monopoly in Western Europe to forbid translating the Bible from Latin to national languages, so most of the common herd could not read it and form their own opinions on what the priests said it all meant or were quoting selectively.


In the end though it's not what a bunch of people in a small society in the Middle East 2000 - 3000 years ago thought and wrote. It's how people use or misuse their thoughts nowadays that counts.
SW-User
It seems like a lot of religious thinking is confirmation bias. If good things happen, we credit God. If bad things happen, we make sure that God doesn't get any blame. But then why do some people pray and get answers and others get ignored? Why do some people have an easy life and are infrequently tested? It all seems very arbitrary. There's always a way to justify it and say that the best possible outcome is the result every time. It's not much of an "answer", but that's how people bring order to chaos. Unfortunately that's what it seems like to me: people trying to claim that a chaotic world is actually ordered when it isn't really. You can make yourself see order, but it isn't really there.
Dainbramadge · 56-60, M
Yeah it's wishful thinking.
People just need something to count on even though there is nothing there.
If no one had faith then life would hold no meaning to most.
The struggles we deal with and conquer are triumphs.
The struggles we deal with and lose are lessons that allow us to not make that same mistake again.
Anything worth having is worth working for.
That's about all the Bible tells us in a nutshell.
But no one would follow any of the suggestions or even rules from the Bible if there wasn't someone to enforce those rules and something to lose for not abiding by them.
God I hope that made some kind of sense.
Allelse · 36-40, M
Humans like to think they're special, they want to be the star of their own movie, some more than others of course and the idea of having a personal relationship with a divine creator is great for their ego. It also deludes into thinking there is a divine meaning to the rotten stuff that happens in their life. Rubbish really, things just happen for their own reasons. You cut off your finger and you'll bleed, you stick your dick in a wasps nest you'll get stung.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Allelse I think you are being a bit harsh though I agree with your point generally.

Many do find comfort in religion, especially when bereaved or in facing death. That has been a central point of most known religions, extant and extinct, even surmised, of any deities, from ancient times.

The approach to religion has often been made very egocentric though, in the past, by religious authorities and particularly by the Christian Church for its own power.

The Ancient Greeks (BC) had a totally different religion but did mix it up with philosophy, so the Christian (AD) Church found it very convenient to enforce for centuries, Aristotle's geocentric universe as home to we humans it thought the pinnacle of the Christian God's creation. Yet in Christian terms Aristotle was a pagan, and his pantheist religion had died out!
Sunujing · 46-50, M
I don’t believe in a benevolent god. There is too much evidence to the contrary.

I have had a myriad of moments in my life that have convinced me that we are here to learn and work on something. When a life is cut tragically short, whether it be from disease, bad luck or murder, it is part of a plan.

In the case of your aunt, did she complete the work of her life at a young age and this disease was her final challenge?

Did the mother who stabbed her child fail in her life? Was controlling her anger part of her plan? Did the child sign up for this life knowing it was a risk?

There is a fascinating book called Journey of Souls. This focuses not on past lives but the time between lives when we make a plan for our next incarnation. Having had an experience similar, I am a firm believer in this concept.

Beyond my personal experience, the concept that all this is part of a plan is rather soothing. Maybe not a divine creator but a journey we are on to re-join a more neutral creator.
Sadly it is quite obvious that if there a god, he loves some people a lot more than others, and straight out hates some too. And all that is independent of religion or the way someone lives their life and treats others.
Banksy83 · 41-45, M
@NerdyPotato @NerdyPotato If there is a God he is the same as a parent who would put its own child in danger or not care for it
Coralmist · 41-45, F
@NerdyPotato Yeah it doesnt make sense, when God supposedly created his own children, to hate some or allow some to greatly suffer??
@Coralmist nope... For me that is the main reason to question whether a god exists or whether he deserves the praise he demands if he does exist. I'm still open to the idea of one existing and even to him being all good and powerful, but some explanation is in order before I'll have anything to do with him, let alone praise or love him.
You have several questions embedded here.

They are all metaphysical in that they require inquiry beyond the scope of the materialism of science.

1. Whether or not a “god” exists.
2. If we answer #1 in the affirmative, what is the role of that “god” in the world?
3. If we know what this role is, then what is our relationship to that “god”?

These are all theological questions. I say “god” as there are many ways to answer #1-3. I say “god” instead of “God” as I have no idea what your world view is, and I’m not about to condition you to mine.

Then there are:

4. What is the cause of suffering?
5. What is the origin of evil in the world?

How we answer #1-3 really informs how we face #4 and #5.

So I guess there is:

6. How do we face suffering and evil?
SW-User
Some need something to believe in because the world is depressing and people are disappointing
I'm agnostic about some gods or forces. But I'm an atheist about other ones like the Abrahamic God. Cause omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent can't exist in the same being. I could believe in a evil God. A weak God a stupid God. Or some combo but not the former.
Maybe their are lesser being instead that just have as much trouble as use taking care of things. Idk.
CestManan · 46-50, F
We are suppose to have faith and all this crap even though we are living in a world ran by Satan. Nothing by sin exists in this world.

Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit and God decided that all people for ages to come needed to be punished for it.

It even says in the bible that most of us are going to end up in hell anyways but of course that is our own fault.
JoyfulSilence · 46-50, M
I am an atheist.

Although there have been times I could have used supernatural help.

I wish somebody loved me. Nobody really does.
Coralmist · 41-45, F
@JoyfulSilence My favorite author Byron Katie..shes AMAZING...SAID we are love itself just by being here, by being a humanbeing 🌸
JoyfulSilence · 46-50, M
@Coralmist

I agree that humans have the capacity for love. But a lot of nasty things, too.

I would love the unconditional love that something like God could provide. But I do not think God is real, so it is inaccessible.
Montanaman · M
I question my fail every day. But then something happens to make me believe again. Its a Rollercoaster world we live in. The ups and downs test our faith. 😔🤗🤗😇😇🙏🙏
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
A creator can do whatever it wants with its creation .
We will never know the why .
Coralmist · 41-45, F
@AthrillatheHunt I guess I wonder why if God is omnipotent and all loving, why to allow atrocity? And to create humans to have these traits..greed, jealousy etc.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@Coralmist we all wonder that. It’s a sign your relationship w your creator is evolving .
SW-User
Yes, unfortunately, I do believe we are on our own, except for the comfort we can give each other
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
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This one is pretty good as it relates to the question.
ShadowWolf · 31-35, M
Oh, you are about to open a can of worms on SW with this one!
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
I'm Agnostic. So, who cares.
Banksy83 · 41-45, M
There are no gods looking out for us
Seem like most of you all expect God to just pop in and save your day prove he exist when it's the fellowship of others that believe thru God makes all things are possible never did he guarantee a perfect world
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
SOMEONE created you and loves you with a love so intense it is impossible to describe. All you need to do is accept His Love for you.
SW-User
If bad things didn't happen we'd be in heaven already
Coralmist · 41-45, F
@SW-User Can you explain..?🍀
SW-User
@Coralmist Heaven is the only place where sickness and evil cannot enter. The fact that we see these things is evidence that we should continue to pray and give thanks because it could have been you. Every individual has their own journey, some good and some tragic, that's a part of life, if you read the Bible you'll notice even God's own people face tragedy.
GovanDUNNY · M
So sorry for your loss
Coralmist · 41-45, F
@GovanDUNNY Thanks Govan 🌿
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Coralmist · 41-45, F
@Budwick So if they are ALL LOVING, how is extreme horror or pain , disease etc? 🤔

 
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