Yes God's creation is awesome, and whats even more amazing is that we can know God personallh and experience the love, joy and peace He offers to anyone who will accept Him as their Lord and Saviour
At what point did I equate people who believe in a creator God with Bronze Age Middle-Eastern goat herders who didn't know where the Sun went at night?
You really should start reading what people write and not what you would have liked them to write.
Maybe then you wouldn't get so bent out of shape by your own assumptions.
@TheWildEcho Nothing I posted there equates people who believe in a creator God with Bronze Age Middle-Eastern goat herders who didn't know where the Sun went at night.
You really should start reading what people write and not what you would have liked them to write.
First: Do you accept the fact that through heritability and various environmental pressures, populations of animals can change over time with subsequent generations. Call it adaptation, call it microevolution but do you accept that, that mechanism for change is present and observable?
Are you talking about red foxes and white foxes? Red foxes may travel to arctic regions but the cold environment will not change it's fur color. Just like the warm climate of Hawaii cannot change the color of the white fox. God created those foxes just as they are and no environment change can alter His creation.
So in your mind, what is responsible for the change of appearance within a population or "change within a kind" that Ken Ham, who you frequently quote , accepts is observable fact?🤔
the cold environment will not change it's fur color
Will the cold environment kill it? Will the cold environment make it more difficult for it to catch prey? Is it therefore more likely to starve to death before mating?
(you may panic and flee at any time you need to do so)
@GodSpeed63 Yes. Even the president is a devout Christian. But the government isn’t allowed to push overt Christian policy. There are also many Muslims, Jews, atheists, and others in the White House, you don’t want them pushing their agenda, do you?
And no, you don’t need religion to know God, but religion provides a framework. Do you think it’s possible for someone to have a relationship with God while denouncing Jesus and the Bible as “religion?”
Do you think it’s possible for someone to have a relationship with God while denouncing Jesus and the Bible as “religion?”
In case you hadn't noticed, Jesus is not a religious figure but is the Son of God. It's through Him that we have a close relationship with God in heaven.
The sun is not an artificial thing. It is a natural phenomenon. You are not a human being. You are a natural phenomenon, an evidence of creation.
You don't see yourself as a natural phenomenon. You see yourselves as a created thing, an artificial thing called a human being created by science.
But you are not a natural phenomenon. You see yourself as a human being which is an idea created by science.
Make up your mind. First you say we are a natural phenomenon and then lastly you say but you are not a natural phenomenon. So which is it?
So now you're saying science created human beings. They are just now making AI, so please tell me how scientists made human beings from the very beginning when they didn't even have the technology of AI at that time. Please enlighten us. Made all the intricate parts of a human being, seeing eyes, hearing ears, all the organs and capillaries etc.
Scientists made human beings? Now that's a good one. Then why does what initiated or drove the emergence of these fundamental laws and processes, still remain an ongoing topic of much scientific speculation, exploration, and philosophical debate? This seems to be another attempt by yourself to deny God, is what this amounts to.
Ultimately, the origins of evolutionary processes are a mystery that lies beyond human comprehension, sparking ongoing scientific investigation, philosophical inquiry, and existential exploration. But God didn't leave us to guess. Jesus came in person and over 500 witnessed him and his miracles, including his death and resurrection, and don't tell me all 500 were delusional. He told us exactly where He came from, where we come from, and exactly why He came to save the human race. Your theory that scientists made something out of nothing, will never hold up. Even a child knows better than that.
@sree251 I think everything you have said in this post points to that. Unless you just express yourself in a way I don't understand because you're all over the place you change your mind a million times and then you wonder why people are confused at what you say. For example, you said:
You see yourself as a human being which is an idea created by science.
Well if human beings are an idea created by science then it surely does not say that God created us.
I think everything you have said in this post points to that. Unless you just express yourself in a way I don't understand because you're all over the place you change your mind a million times and then you wonder why people are confused at what you say.
I do express myself in a way nobody understands because I use a common language (i.e. English) to express my perceptions, not yours. I don't share your perceptions which are conventional. Take Jesus, for example. Turn the other cheek, he said. All the folks here, especially atheists, would make fun of that teaching. Even Christians go to war. Right now, despite the fact that we are a nation of Christians who profess to follow Jesus, we are supporting an eye for an eye retribution in Gaza.
Well if human beings are an idea created by science then it surely does not say that God created us.
My definition of science is not the same as yours. Your definition of science is the systematic study of the natural world. Who is doing the studying? You would say it is the scientist who is doing the studying. How does the scientist study himself who is part of the natural world? He looks at the mirror and compares the form of his body to that of the chimp's, sees commonality in bodily form and conclude that there is a connection. Compare and conclude. And the scientist is the only one doing the study. Is there any other party checking his work to corroborate and validate his findings? I don't mean his peers but a third party that neither looks like him or the chimp. None, right? The chimp is not going to succeed in contradicting him even if it could. It's an ape. So the scientist get to call the ape the chimp and calls himself the human being. He does that arbitrarily without any evidence-based proof. How did he cook up the word "human", the etymological source of that word? Do you get my point now when I said that the human being is an idea created by science?
I have not touch on the difficult part of this inquiry yet. The scientist looks at the mirror and compares the form of his body to that of a chimp. It's the body he is using for comparison. The body is the human being. What about the scientist? This idiot is using the wrong evidence as proof for basing his conclusion on.
And the Bible is just ink marks on paper, isn't it! Look, reductionism is just arrogant sophistry. We expected more from you, but I guess arrogant sophistry is all you've got🤣😂
How else do you think a child has features that look like their parents?
You said: It has nothing to do with genes. It has nothing to do with gravity also. Science like to explain everything.
It absolutely does have to do with genes! A child having similar features to their parents is largely due to genetics. Genetics is the study of heredity, which is the passing of traits from parents to offspring through their own genes.
When a child inherits genes from their parents, they receive a unique combination of genetic information that determines many of their physical characteristics, such as:
- Eye color - Hair color - Facial structure - Height - Skin tone
This is because genes carry the instructions for the development and function of an organism, and similar genes can result in similar traits. The study of genetics has shown that many characteristics are influenced by multiple genes working together, which is why children often share a combination of features from each parent. This is not random!
I don't know anything about God. I am focused on the Devil, the existential threat called science.
That's your business, but don't go around saying you're a Christian and then say the opposite that you're focused on the devil and you don't know anything about God.
@sree251 Those scientists who take God at His Word are the exception. Exceptionally wise! That's why the rest won't dare address nor admit they don't know what (or whom) caused the initial conditions or the emergence of the fundamental laws that govern our universe. They've only their theories of evolution and the Big Bang to hold on to. Beyond that, they can't grasp what really took place, so they completely dodge the subject. That just goes to show you that man will never be smarter than God. So if you're trusting science to save your soul on Judgment Day, I would give that another thought. Scientists can't even step past the Moon, yet man will put his trust in science? God said the fool says in his heart, "there is no God".
There's a way that seems right unto man, but the end thereof is death, both physical and spiritual. Proverbs 14:12
You don't see yourself as a natural phenomenon. You see yourselves as a created thing, an artificial thing called a human being created by science.
That's an oxymoron: You said we see ourselves "as a createdthing, and also an artificial thing called a human being created by science." Human beings are just that....human, not a thing.
Philosophical theories and scientific hypotheses, no matter how intriguing, cannot empirically prove that something can come from nothing. While theories and interpretations can provide frameworks for understanding, they rely on assumptions. These ideas, as fascinating as they are, remain speculative and cannot be proven or observed directly.
Wow! What a great great post! Nothing happens by chance. Some things do happen "by chance," from the human perspective. That does not mean they are arbitrary or random from God's point of view. Even those things we perceive as determined by chance, are in the Lord's control (Psalm 16:5). Beautiful examples of that!
@BohemianBabe You don't see yourself as a natural phenomenon. You see yourselves as a created thing, an artificial thing called a human being created by science.
So out of all the hundreds of thousands of religions that have existed throughout human history, you just so happened to pick the one that’s “correct” right? 🙄 such arrogance.
@QueenOfZaun Yeah and you're the one that came all the way over with that attitude of yours and disrespect in targeting Godspeed's post. You're the one that's arrogant. And that's okay if you don't like us. We don't have a problem with that.
@TheWildEcho I'm sorry she got nasty towards you, brother, I know who you're referring to. I always refer to them as skeptics being that their not dead in the ground yet. Some do get nasty when you've bested them because the lies of men can't stand up to the Truth of God. Praying for you, brother.
