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Faith is the one thing atheists go crazy about

And you are so easy to fish in. Even my silliest posts got you guys all freaking out with hundreds of messages. I know I shouldn't be tormenting you but it is fun. You few that constantly responded gave me a good laugh but otherwise you're so predictable and boring too. Here's what some people have to say about atheists
[quote]Charlotte Allen says Atheists: No God, just whining
Atheists are a tiresome, self-pitying bunch whose primary motivation isn't rationalism but anger. I can't stand atheists – but it's not because they don't believe in God. It's because they're crashing bores.

Terry Eagleton take's to task nonbelievers for indulging in a philosophically primitive opposition of faith and reason that assumes that if science can't prove something, it doesn't exist.
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
I guess Charlotte Allen en Terry Eagleton really have issues when someone questions their worldviews. Espescially since the worldviews aren't defendable in any reasonable way. It's funny how Charlotte tries to justify her undefendable position, by just labeling opponents of that position as: [i]"self-pitying bunch whose primary motivation isn't rationalism but anger."[/i]. I guess that saves her from defending the undefinable. And Terry just has to strawman a position: [i]"nonbelievers for indulging in a philosophically primitive opposition of faith and reason that assumes that if science can't prove something, it doesn't exist."[/i]. Which is a position that only holds up in very specific cases... in the case of religion, it deff holds up. And considering that this position has been largely developing and becoming important again in the 17-18th century as a reaction towards the more primitive position (religion)... I wouldn't label the atheist position as "primitive". But I guess... what ever label is nescessary to feel good about yourself and keeps you from defending the undefendable, is the way to go when you are so stuck in this primitive joke that was played on humanity by people that could only explain the unexplainable by invoking God. And for civilisations that saw it as a nescessity to invoke God so that they could impose an ethical system on people while the ever watching eye and the fear of eternal damnation keeps people straight.
The problem with salvation by faith is that belief is not subject to free will. So condemning people to eternal torture for not believing something is as cruel and senseless as condemning them for having the wrong eye color.
@Pfuzylogic Correct, it's a myth. None of those events happened - no ten plagues, no freeing of slaves, no parting of the Red Sea. In his monumental history [i]The Jews[/i], Howard Fast starts with the "Habiru," a loose collection of tribes in the Sinai peninsula, who devised an origin story for themselves, that included a past with slavery in Egypt and a promise from their god that they would one day live in a "land of milk and honey."

The study of folklore is not blind belief in the truth of these stories, but an examination of how these stories function to promote group cohesion and to impart meaning to life. I think they're more interesting if addressed that way. For example, the Garden of Eden story is more interesting as an allegory for how human beings transitioned from a hunting and gathering lifestyle to an agrarian one which allowed civilization to develop.
Livingwell · 61-69, M
@LeopoldBloom Actually we do have numerous historic dig datapoints proving that hebrews were slaves as were other people. Their bodies showed damage and physical effects from hard labor, punishment, and malnourishment. Who do you think cut and built all of those stone cities and monuments?
@Livingwell I'm not saying there were no slaves, or that Hebrews weren't slaves in some cases, for example, during the Roman Empire. But there is no evidence that the Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt.

There is also evidence that the people who worked on many ancient monuments were highly-paid craftsmen, not slaves. Slaves were used for more menial labor, like mining and agriculture.
Pfuzylogic · M
@BlueSkyKing
If that were true then scientists would have established a strong foundation in their theories before supporting big bang and multiverses.
In the 20th century everyone believed hawking and penrose when they went God mode and considered it true.
Now with JWST and Gaia date 3rd round , any serious scientist is looking elsewhere.
DocSavage · M
As a creationist, all your post are silly. Something can not come from nothing, you keep telling us. But of course god is the exception to the rule. He comes from nothing, lives outside time and space and conjures up the entire universe ( also from nothing )
Makes perfect sense as long as you have faith.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@DocSavage I used to believe that. But that is the God of the gaps, because the origin of the universe has not yet been discovered, it's attributed to the supernatural.
I used to reconcile my faith with science by believing that God created the big bang. But why would we need a supernatural for the creation of the universe when literally everything else has been proved to occur due to naturalistic phenomena? I think we will discover someday that the nature of the universe and it's creation can be explained as naturalistic not supernatural.

And physicist are actually working on how something can come from nothing; matter and anti-matter spontaneous come into being and annihilate each other, this is providing some clues.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Tosh.
No Atheist ever put a man to death for non-observance of any form of non-religious observance.

And I used to find it interesting how supposedly religious people clog social media sites telling the rest of us how we're all off to Hell as if that's supposed to be some sort of universal accepted fact of their piety thus deservance of a Heaven for them exclusively.

Easy to tell others they don't qualify for their respect when you have nothing to offer other than repeated rhetoric handed down for two millennia.
But then it doesn't bother atheists anywhere near as much as it seems to bother people like yourself.
Ynotisay · M
Do you mean Charlotte Allen the Catholic Conservative who's all about anti-trans? Uh...ok.

I'm an atheist. Do you want to know what atheists really go crazy about? Having "believers," and knowing what goes in to that, tell them what they should do or think. And sometimes having their own lives dictated by fables, fear and hate. You know, like abortion. That's where the crazy lies. And it makes sense, right? I'm sure YOU don't like being told what you're supposed to think and do.

And crazy is actually too big a word because in most cultures you couldn't function because religion is so integrated in to societies.

I think it's safe to say that the vast majority of atheists don't give a shit if someone prays to a rock. As long as they're a decent person. But the "decent" part is becoming harder and to harder to find. It's the exception rather than the rule.

But given that non-believers are about 30 percent of the U.S., (and much higher in other countries), and is growing, (unlike Christianity which is declining), it's just a matter of time before we're a more decent society due to the absence of religion. It'll take a while but it will happen.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a 'non-alchemist'. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.
[i]Sam Harris[/i]
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
And as we always respond, we are not angry, not angry at God, we don't whine, love life, are happy and fulfilled as the next person, want to improve the world, have a moral code, and I have never met an atheist who wanted pity? I doubt this Charlotte Allen really knows any atheists.

My life become so much fuller, happier, and meaningful without God. I am so liberated and happy I'm alive.
Ynotisay · M
@JimboSaturn [i]Good people don't need...[/i]Yep. Nailed it.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Ynotisay as they say:
If you can't tell the difference between right and wrong you don't lack religion - you lack empathy.
Ynotisay · M
@newjaninev2 Good line. On the money.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
I apologize! I just can't resist it! You folks just draw me in with your own opinions about non-spirituality!

I have to ask you all a question: If you are 'a-thestic' (not believing in spirituality) then why are you trolling on a site labelled "Spirituality" ? Could it be because you have a doubt about your own 'non-belief"?

However, keep coming here..... spiritual people appreciate the counter-banter, but some just get annoyed and respond a bit TOO vigourously when their belief is questioned and the questions become accusations about the foolishness of their beliefs. You all know that your own beliefs can't be substantiated so just be tolerant of other peoples' beliefs that can't be substantiated either. We're just here for a short time so surely we can appreciate each other's opinions?
DocSavage · M
@JollyRoger
[quote] . do you have children? Why? What have you to offer a child if you don't have any belief other than that you will eventually die?
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You have a very distorted and unrealistic view of Atheist. You sound like Oprah, when she said Atheist can’t experience “awe”.
I prefer to live for this lifetime, it’s the only one we know exist. I don’t worry about what might come after, I have no control over it in any case.
You are disrespecting the human spirit, by saying that we need god to give us hope and love. If it turns out you’re wrong, and Atheists are right. Then we deserve all the credit you give to god. We’re the ones that made it happen.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@JollyRoger [quote]I blocked you! How then are you still coming into my mailbox?[/quote]

I neither know nor care.

[quote]Name-calling[/quote]
... for example?

[quote]Denying other people's beliefs[/quote]

Do you mean challenging other people's beliefs?

Do you feel that your beliefs should not be challenged?

[quote]should not deny others their points of view[/quote]

For example..?

[quote]fulfilling your purpose here in our world? ... do you have children?[/quote]

You have answered your own question
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@newjaninev2 @newjaninev2 @newjaninev2 I'll try again......
DocSavage · M
[quote] we were evolved from monkeys. Why we still got monkeys?"[/quote]
Faith inspires
@DocSavage That's a good one. "If I have grandparents, why do I have cousins?"
DocSavage · M
@LeopoldBloom
According to him, it’s a gut feeling. Which explains everything.
(Don’t ask how )
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
@DocSavage I have ancestors in Scotland some of their descendants stayed in Scotland and some of their descendants emigrated to Canada, why are there still Scottish? lol
DocSavage · M
When you claim faith is equal to actual evidence, yeah big surprise.
DocSavage · M
Yeah, we go crazy over faith.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
I think those quotes are generalizing atheists quite a bit. I'm not atheist, more agnostic and I have my beliefs to me but this post was biased. The same could be said about your people. Always complaining about the status quo, how they don't have power any more, how students aren't forced to pray anymore, how it's bad that we don't live in a theocracy anymore (only Christian though, if it's Islam nah,) how gay people are bad, video games cause violence and we need a return to Christian values, how there shouldn't be any separation of church and state, how tornados are gods wrath, divorce should be illegal.

People would be like "those fundies, so unpleasant to be around."
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newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@jshm2 Faith is pretending to know something that you don't actually know.

Why would I sit around coveting pretence?
Ynotisay · M
@jshm2 I'm a lifelong atheist and have NEVER had an in-depth conversation, in real life, about atheism. And I don't think I'm a unicorn.
@Ynotisay I know, right? I've never met an atheist who talks about Christianity when there aren't Christians trying to convert them.
AlchemyFox · 36-40, F
I'm not atheist, but sometimes your snarky replies seem like you're insinuating that I am.

I think you need a new hobby. Maybe do something with your life other than irritate people on the Internet.
hunkalove · 61-69, M
Faith is but a wish in the fear of death. People kill and die over faith when it is really based on nothing that can be proven.
DocSavage · M
Know a lot of Atheist do you ?
Or just the ones Ken Ham told you about
spjennifer · 56-60, T
You seem to confuse "Atheism" and "Agnosticism" but that wouldn't surprise me in the least. Wow, quoting from 2 twits, just brilliant...
We're all still waiting to prove that you're invisible friend is real.

 
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