Faith is the one thing atheists go crazy about

@JollyRoger This is a public forum and anyone can comment here. I can't speak for all atheists, but when I post on forums like this, it's to address falsehoods and logical errors.

@JollyRoger The OP addresses atheists and makes claims about atheists.

I'm an agnostic atheist. What 'beliefs' do you think I have?

@newjaninev2 I believe you are right! I also believe that you're trying to suck me into a very deep non-sensical philosophical discussion about your non-beliefs!

@JollyRoger I have no interest in doing that.

1. there's no proof that gods exist.
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist.
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, and the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods

No beliefs or non-beliefs required, so no risk of discussion around them 👍️😀

@newjaninev2 OK.... have it your way..... One more chance and I block you!

@JollyRoger one more chance to do what?

Do you mean one more chance to demonstrate that not having gods isn't a question of 'belief'?

I've already done that.

If you need to run from that simple reality then that's your prerogative.

@JollyRoger Trolling? I'm not sure you have a handle on what trolling is. I also don't think anyone looks at where a comment, that goes out on the whole platform, is positioned. And while I appreciate the "can't we all get along sentiment" it might be good to remember that atheism has never been responsible for wars. Or laws meant to discriminate and harm others. Or promote hate and real intolerance. I think it's safe to say that atheists are FAR more tolerant of others beliefs. Because we don't have a choice. So maybe you just don't like being questioned about why religion is responsible for so much harm in the world. Well, then you can act like an atheist, shake your head and have some strength in your beliefs.

@Ynotisay Pffft..... And relative to wars.... Putin is what religion?

@JollyRoger why would you block her? She was having a reasonable discussion!

@JollyRoger Putin self-identifies as a Russian Orthodox Christian. Whether he actually is one is a question that should be addressed to an Orthodox clergyman.

@Handfull1 My opinion only: She was not being reasonable in that she was name-calling and denying other people's beliefs in her commentary. Yes, she can have her point of view, but she should not deny others their points of view nor their beliefs. And... by blocking her, I don't have to continue sorting out other people's points of view from hers when I'm reading. My choice, my loss or my gain??

@JollyRoger [quote]Name-calling[/quote]... for example?

[quote]Denying other people's beliefs[/quote]

Do you mean challenging other people's beliefs?

Do you feel that your beliefs should not be challenged?

[quote]should not deny others their points of view [/quote]

For example..?

@newjaninev2Now you have me curious as to why you are so interested in my 'reasons" for blocking someone. Are you here as the same person under a different name? I have my suspicions!
Do you notice how you are 'demanding' that I do this (just for you)? I don't work that way - I don't need to justify my beliefs. They are just mine to enjoy. So: Let's just end this now. Thank you.

@JollyRoger You have not provided an example of 'name-calling'.

[quote]She was not being reasonable in that she was name-calling[/quote]

[quote]just for you[/quote]

You were referring just to me, so yes for me.

When you're ready...

@JollyRoger [quote]I don't need to justify my beliefs[/quote]

Absolutely correct... so nobody else need justify dismissing them

@JollyRoger Incidentally, you haven't actually pointed out where I was, according to you, "denying other people's beliefs".

Perhaps you'd like to do that now?

@newjaninev2 No, I don't think I have to do that. BTW: This will be our last conversation simply because you are doing exactly what gets people blocked - nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking when you haven't put forth any of your own belief schemae for anyone to discuss. It's certainly easy to be able to pick apart other people's beliefs while you have none of your own! Good bye - and notice I'm not condemning you to Hell or any other sort of punishment.... I just feel badly that you are an 'empty person' who feels a need to come into a group about "Spirituality" when you have nothing to offer for discussion.

@JollyRoger [quote]you haven't put forth any of your own belief schemae[/quote]

The [b]2nd comment[/b] I posted on this thread was:

1. there's no proof that gods exist.
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist.
3. in any event, there's no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, and the postulation explains nothing (not even itself)... it merely tries to explain everything away.
4. therefore, I have no gods

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Your response was

[quote]OK.... have it your way..... One more chance and I block you![/quote]

@newjaninev2 So? I blocked you! How then are you still coming into my mailbox?

Anyway.... My last note to you was that you are an empty person. Can you explain to me how you are fulfilling your purpose here in our world? What are you doing to make 'love' between yourself and your neighbours? Are you married? If so, what do you share with your spouse that makes them feel that they have someone worthwhile to spend their time with - someone who inspires them? And... do you have children? Why? What have you to offer a child if you don't have any belief other than that you will eventually die?

I went to church this morning. I was inspired! It made me feel good to hear people praise my God in song and with reverence for the gifts of life and beauty that surround us. Who do you revere? What do you revere? Do you revere that you have money? How about the home you live in, do you revere the money that allowed you to buy it?

Here's a prayer that, together, we read aloud today. To me it symbolizes what you have lost because I can't really believe that you never had it:

Holy God,
Somewhere in our childhood we face pressure to outgrow awe.
We turn into adults who obsess over data and facts. We praise those who have answers and assume that wonder is an answerless game.
Forgive us for closing that door to you.
Remind us that the kindom of God belongs to children. Teach us again the ways of awe and wonder, so that like Zechariah, when we find ourselves speechless, our first words will be words of praise.

My own words about this prayer are AMEN: I feel badly for you that you don't have a sense of imagination that gives you the simple pleasure of wondering about what you can't prove. Belief is just that.... accepting what we can't understand . If we deny everything that we don't understand, then we would never search for other worlds or accept that perhaps God did create magnificent things before the creation of 'time'.
How about this for imagination: What if there are many Gods (and angels too) who did create worlds for their own pleasure and that the god who created our world asked his creations to worship him only as did the gods who created other worlds! I get such simple pleasure out of my imagination - and I will feel no shame if in some future time I come to the end of my life and find there is your "NOTHING" awaiting me. But, through my imagination I have HOPE... I have a belief that my Christ did live and did set an example for people to follow and that He did promise the people He spoke to when He was alive that there is a God, His father, whom He asked for counsel and whom He worshipped and so set his resolve to die for his beliefs and in so doing, showed us that He was prepared to GIVE HIS ALL to save us from the sin of non-belief.
So: You have no gods. Wonderful for you???? I wonder, because you don't have proof and you don't wonder!

@JollyRoger
[quote] . do you have children? Why? What have you to offer a child if you don't have any belief other than that you will eventually die?
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You have a very distorted and unrealistic view of Atheist. You sound like Oprah, when she said Atheist can’t experience “awe”.
I prefer to live for this lifetime, it’s the only one we know exist. I don’t worry about what might come after, I have no control over it in any case.
You are disrespecting the human spirit, by saying that we need god to give us hope and love. If it turns out you’re wrong, and Atheists are right. Then we deserve all the credit you give to god. We’re the ones that made it happen.

@JollyRoger [quote]I blocked you! How then are you still coming into my mailbox?[/quote]

I neither know nor care.

[quote]Name-calling[/quote]
... for example?

[quote]Denying other people's beliefs[/quote]

Do you mean challenging other people's beliefs?

Do you feel that your beliefs should not be challenged?

[quote]should not deny others their points of view[/quote]

For example..?

[quote]fulfilling your purpose here in our world? ... do you have children?[/quote]

You have answered your own question

@newjaninev2 @newjaninev2 @newjaninev2 I'll try again......