I've also heard it said that it may not be a coincidence that "ray" is something that comes from the same astral body represented by "Ra". I don't think his point was that ray's etymology can be traced back to Ancient Egypt but the sound RAY might be psychologically connected.
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revenant · F
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP We both might have been on to something..
RuyLopez · 56-60, M
Facebook posts claim the word “amen” is derived from the ancient Egyptian god Amun Ra. This is false; experts say the common ending to prayers has Hebrew origins -- not Egyptian.
“AMEN = AMUN RA,” says text above an image of a painting in an April 6, 2021 Facebook post.
“Above is a painting of Amun Ra, one of the creator gods in Egyptian mythology, decorates a tomb in Luxor, Egypt. Amun Ra often appears as a human figure with a ram's head, as he is the predecessor of Baphomet. When Christians say AMEN, they are worshiping and giving power to the opposite of what they intended, out of ignorance,” the post says.
Amun is one of the most important gods of ancient Egypt, but is not related to the word “amen.”
“The word ‘amen’ used in Christian and Jewish prayer is of Hebrew origin, not Egyptian,” Andrew McGowan, dean of Yale University’s Berkeley Divinity School, told AFP by email.
McGowan said the similarity of the sound of “Amun” and “amen” is a coincidence.
“There is no connection with the personal name Amun or Amen, originally the name of a local Theban deity who later becomes identified with the sun god Ra.”
Jan Ziolkowski, a professor of Medieval Latin in the Department of the Classics at Harvard University, agreed about the origin of “amen.”
He said by email: “Amen entered Western languages from Church Latin, which took it from Greek, which in turn derived it from Hebrew. In Hebrew, it is a noun that means certainty or verity, related to a verb meaning to confirm.”
He explained that “the word is found in the Hebrew Bible to mark the end of prayers or professions of faith.”
And Paul Duff, a religion professor at The George Washington University, also said via email that he was “extremely skeptical” of the claim and that he had “never heard anything about (amen) being connected to Amun Ra.”
The post also claimed that the Amun Ra was the predecessor of Baphomet.
In the early 1300s, the Knight Templars were accused of worshiping Baphomet -- who later continued to be associated with the occult -- and were prosecuted for devil worship.
“The name Baphomet does not resonate with me in terms of ancient Egypt or what happened in Greco-Roman times,” Salima Ikram, professor and head of the Egyptology Unit at the American University in Cairo, said by email.
“There is a lot of esoteric ideology/iconography that is derived from ancient Egypt, generally re-interpreted and misunderstood,” she said, also noting that “some scholars think that Baphomet is an old French corruption or version of Mohammed (Mahomet), anathema to the crusaders.”
And Yale’s McGowan said that while there are depictions of Baphomet from the trials of the Templars “suggesting an animal-headed being or idol, they are not remotely close to the ram-headed version of Amun -- and not Egyptian.”
“AMEN = AMUN RA,” says text above an image of a painting in an April 6, 2021 Facebook post.
“Above is a painting of Amun Ra, one of the creator gods in Egyptian mythology, decorates a tomb in Luxor, Egypt. Amun Ra often appears as a human figure with a ram's head, as he is the predecessor of Baphomet. When Christians say AMEN, they are worshiping and giving power to the opposite of what they intended, out of ignorance,” the post says.
Amun is one of the most important gods of ancient Egypt, but is not related to the word “amen.”
“The word ‘amen’ used in Christian and Jewish prayer is of Hebrew origin, not Egyptian,” Andrew McGowan, dean of Yale University’s Berkeley Divinity School, told AFP by email.
McGowan said the similarity of the sound of “Amun” and “amen” is a coincidence.
“There is no connection with the personal name Amun or Amen, originally the name of a local Theban deity who later becomes identified with the sun god Ra.”
Jan Ziolkowski, a professor of Medieval Latin in the Department of the Classics at Harvard University, agreed about the origin of “amen.”
He said by email: “Amen entered Western languages from Church Latin, which took it from Greek, which in turn derived it from Hebrew. In Hebrew, it is a noun that means certainty or verity, related to a verb meaning to confirm.”
He explained that “the word is found in the Hebrew Bible to mark the end of prayers or professions of faith.”
And Paul Duff, a religion professor at The George Washington University, also said via email that he was “extremely skeptical” of the claim and that he had “never heard anything about (amen) being connected to Amun Ra.”
The post also claimed that the Amun Ra was the predecessor of Baphomet.
In the early 1300s, the Knight Templars were accused of worshiping Baphomet -- who later continued to be associated with the occult -- and were prosecuted for devil worship.
“The name Baphomet does not resonate with me in terms of ancient Egypt or what happened in Greco-Roman times,” Salima Ikram, professor and head of the Egyptology Unit at the American University in Cairo, said by email.
“There is a lot of esoteric ideology/iconography that is derived from ancient Egypt, generally re-interpreted and misunderstood,” she said, also noting that “some scholars think that Baphomet is an old French corruption or version of Mohammed (Mahomet), anathema to the crusaders.”
And Yale’s McGowan said that while there are depictions of Baphomet from the trials of the Templars “suggesting an animal-headed being or idol, they are not remotely close to the ram-headed version of Amun -- and not Egyptian.”
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"The Hebrew word אמן amen (pronounced “ah-men” or, in Ashkenazi pronunciation, “uh-main”) is found in many places in the Bible.1
The Talmud 2 explains that there are three intentions within the word amen (depending on context):
1) An oath,3 2) acceptance of the statement or terms,4 3) confirmation of (or faithfulness in) the statement (e.g. belief, prayer, and faith that the statement will be fulfilled).5
As such, when the court would administer an oath, the person would answer “Amen,” and it was considered as if they themselves had sworn. Likewise, we reply “Amen” after hearing others recite prayers or blessings.
The word amen is versatile and is used to respond to blessings and prayers in praise of G‑d, as well as after hearing a request or supplication to G‑d.
When saying “Amen” after hearing G‑d’s praise, one’s intention would be “the blessing that was recited is true and I believe in it,” since the word amen signifies an affirmation of belief. The letters of the word amen are the root letters of the word emunah, meaning belief or trust.
And after hearing a request or supplication, one’s intent would be oriented more to the future — that the speaker’s statements and requests be affirmed and speedily fulfilled.
Many blessings contain both elements, so when saying “Amen” ideally one should have both intentions in mind — the intent that the statement is true, and the wish that the speaker’s statements be affirmed and speedily fulfilled.6
The Talmud7 explains that when saying “Amen,” one should be careful to prolong the word for the length of time it takes to say the words E-l Melech ne’eman (“G‑d, faithful King”). For ultimately this is the meaning of the term אמן - amen - an acronym for the Hebrew words א-ל מלך נאמן, El Melech ne’eman.
Our sages tell us that in some ways the person who responds “Amen” is even greater than the one who said the blessing,8 and when one responds “Amen” with the proper concentration it has the power to open the gates of Gan Eden and nullify negative decrees."
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/639038/jewish/What-does-Amen-mean.htm
The name "Ameen" is Islamic in origin, and means "Loyal and Trustworthy | Virtuous, Pious, God-Fearing and Devoted to God"
I would say that "Amen", and the name "Ameen", are definitely connected.
Amun Ra is a bit different. "Amun's name is first recorded as imn. That means "The hidden (one)". Vowels were not written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, but Egyptologists think the name survives into the Coptic language as Amoun."
https://kids.kiddle.co/Amun#:~:text=Amun-Ra
The Talmud 2 explains that there are three intentions within the word amen (depending on context):
1) An oath,3 2) acceptance of the statement or terms,4 3) confirmation of (or faithfulness in) the statement (e.g. belief, prayer, and faith that the statement will be fulfilled).5
As such, when the court would administer an oath, the person would answer “Amen,” and it was considered as if they themselves had sworn. Likewise, we reply “Amen” after hearing others recite prayers or blessings.
The word amen is versatile and is used to respond to blessings and prayers in praise of G‑d, as well as after hearing a request or supplication to G‑d.
When saying “Amen” after hearing G‑d’s praise, one’s intention would be “the blessing that was recited is true and I believe in it,” since the word amen signifies an affirmation of belief. The letters of the word amen are the root letters of the word emunah, meaning belief or trust.
And after hearing a request or supplication, one’s intent would be oriented more to the future — that the speaker’s statements and requests be affirmed and speedily fulfilled.
Many blessings contain both elements, so when saying “Amen” ideally one should have both intentions in mind — the intent that the statement is true, and the wish that the speaker’s statements be affirmed and speedily fulfilled.6
The Talmud7 explains that when saying “Amen,” one should be careful to prolong the word for the length of time it takes to say the words E-l Melech ne’eman (“G‑d, faithful King”). For ultimately this is the meaning of the term אמן - amen - an acronym for the Hebrew words א-ל מלך נאמן, El Melech ne’eman.
Our sages tell us that in some ways the person who responds “Amen” is even greater than the one who said the blessing,8 and when one responds “Amen” with the proper concentration it has the power to open the gates of Gan Eden and nullify negative decrees."
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/639038/jewish/What-does-Amen-mean.htm
The name "Ameen" is Islamic in origin, and means "Loyal and Trustworthy | Virtuous, Pious, God-Fearing and Devoted to God"
I would say that "Amen", and the name "Ameen", are definitely connected.
Amun Ra is a bit different. "Amun's name is first recorded as imn. That means "The hidden (one)". Vowels were not written in Egyptian hieroglyphics, but Egyptologists think the name survives into the Coptic language as Amoun."
https://kids.kiddle.co/Amun#:~:text=Amun-Ra
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
revenant · F
@GeistInTheMachine I think there are common roots but got to find them.
the link can be
It should be mentioned that Hebrew is a Semitic language, and Semitic languages are a subgroup of Afro-Asiatic languages, of which Egyptian is one. Thus, Hebrew and Egyptian are related to each other and have a similar structure based on the root of the three consonants, the substitution of vowels in which changes the meaning of the word. Therefore, Hebrew has quite a few loanwords from the Egyptian language and quite a few words of common Egyptian origin.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Amun is one of the most important gods of ancient Egypt, but is not related to the word “amen.”
“The word ‘amen’ used in Christian and Jewish prayer is of Hebrew origin, not Egyptian,” Andrew McGowan, dean of Yale University’s Berkeley Divinity School, told AFP by email.
McGowan said the similarity of the sound of “Amun” and “amen” is a coincidence.
“There is no connection with the personal name Amun or Amen, originally the name of a local Theban deity who later becomes identified with the sun god Ra.”
Jan Ziolkowski, a professor of Medieval Latin in the Department of the Classics at Harvard University, agreed about the origin of “amen.”
He said by email: “Amen entered Western languages from Church Latin, which took it from Greek, which in turn derived it from Hebrew. In Hebrew, it is a noun that means certainty or verity, related to a verb meaning to confirm.”
He explained that “the word is found in the Hebrew Bible to mark the end of prayers or professions of faith.”
And Paul Duff, a religion professor at The George Washington University, also said via email that he was “extremely skeptical” of the claim and that he had “never heard anything about (amen) being connected to Amun Ra.”
https://factcheck.afp.com/amen-hebrew-not-egyptian-origin
“The word ‘amen’ used in Christian and Jewish prayer is of Hebrew origin, not Egyptian,” Andrew McGowan, dean of Yale University’s Berkeley Divinity School, told AFP by email.
McGowan said the similarity of the sound of “Amun” and “amen” is a coincidence.
“There is no connection with the personal name Amun or Amen, originally the name of a local Theban deity who later becomes identified with the sun god Ra.”
Jan Ziolkowski, a professor of Medieval Latin in the Department of the Classics at Harvard University, agreed about the origin of “amen.”
He said by email: “Amen entered Western languages from Church Latin, which took it from Greek, which in turn derived it from Hebrew. In Hebrew, it is a noun that means certainty or verity, related to a verb meaning to confirm.”
He explained that “the word is found in the Hebrew Bible to mark the end of prayers or professions of faith.”
And Paul Duff, a religion professor at The George Washington University, also said via email that he was “extremely skeptical” of the claim and that he had “never heard anything about (amen) being connected to Amun Ra.”
https://factcheck.afp.com/amen-hebrew-not-egyptian-origin
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
bookerdana · M
Amen means so be it...Amen is derived from the Hebrew āmēn, which means “certainty,” “truth,” and “verily.”
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LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Oh, cool. You noticed something about the evolution of human language.
