Biblical Science Is Good Science

Technically the Big Bang does not describe how the universe ‘began to exist’. The Big Bang describes how a singularity, rapidly expanded and produced everything in the universe.

Actually, no one has an explanation for how the universe began...or why, for that matter. Except in God's Word. Where did the singularity come from? What caused it? The atheists answer is: ‘We don’t know what caused the universe, and that’s OK’… As if somehow, that explains it. This proves, by their own admission, some have a belief about the world that has no basis in science. It also fails to acknowledge that science cannot, by definition, explain the origin of the universe.

Science relies on the laws of physics, chemistry and other natural laws in order to operate. But these laws were only created after the universe began to exist.

You literally just described yourself. You are well known to dodge questions, change the subject, double talk, and accuse non-theists of what you yourself do. And that is just describing yourself.

Then you have the violent ones that bomb people, attack people, shoot up buildings, threaten people, admit to planning insurrections to create a Christian theocracy.

These are the Christian nationalists, the Trump supporters, the Republicans that stand for family values while molesting their own children. The ones like Greg Locke that want to bring back book burning while threatening to knock a guy's teeth out for suggesting he wear a mask. The Cruz family who are Seven Mountains Dominionists who's stated goal is to overthrow the government and replace it with old testament law. Rick Wiles who is an anti-semite that supports Israel because he needs Israel to exist for his Apocalypse to take place and for Jesus to kill off the people he hates.

You can not no-true-scotsman every single violent believer as anyone can self identity as one. The Abrahamic religions are not closed off like that.

As Jesus told you, check the beam in your own eye first and police your own people and stop worrying about the non-believers.

An engineer holding forth about evolution and science in general.

Apparently he did good work on bicycle chains... was very helpful to the British Olympic Cycling Team.

However, I can't find his published research on evolution anywhere in the literature.

Do you have anyone else to offer? Someone worth listening to? An evolutionary scientist, perhaps?

First off I looked at this guys credentials and I don’t think he is a scientist. His phd is in mechanical engineering which is very impressive. But he is still not a scientist. He has written lots of papers about creationism but I doubt any of them passed the peer review standard.
Science is about finding natural explanations for phenomena with a natural mechanism. Supernatural explanations are not scientific.

And you're not like that so you'll have no problem giving a straight answer to a straight question:

You profess to value true science and the hallmark of true science is that it can be used to make novel predictions which are later verified. Evolution science has been used to make verified predictions many times. Radiometric dating showing an ancient Earth is routinely used by Big Oil to predict where oil and coal can be found.
So if creation science is true science....what novel predictions has it made which have been verified? That is to say, what previously unknown or undiscovered object, animal or phenomenon has been predicted using creationism and not merely accommodated by creationism after its discovery?


Hypothetically, is there any evidence which could convince you that evolution has occurred? Not that god isn't real or Jesus isn't real but simply that the diversity of life on this planet is a result of evolution?
Yes or no?

You must directly and honestly answer both these questions or be guilty of dodging and avoiding.
If it looks like you've missed them, don't worry: i'll remind you.

How can one be a biologist or a geologist and not accept evolution?

The scientific method has a clear consistent steps. Using evidence that’s detectable, measurable, and can be tested repeatedly. What qualifies as evidence for "true science"?

Are your results published for peer review?

What are the steps for your "true science"?

Where does falsification have a role?

Scientists have a 95% threshold before making claims. What is the goal of true science?

Link a list where true science has lead to new inventions and medical improvements.

Evolution is one of the bases of genetic science, a science that produces indisputable results. If evolution weren’t a fact modern genetic science wouldn’t work. Doubting the theory of evolution is like denying circuit theory. I don’t expect you to understand why but your statement above about evolution clearly indicates you have no idea what you’re talking about.

i agree that a "good scientist" wouldn't engage such religious pseudo-science. especially when believers who don't know the definition of the word 'science' flame-bait to try and stir the pot. no need to be lured into such a futile debate/strawman's argument. a good scientist doesn't care what you, or anyone else, believes.

“Biblical science” 🤣

Dear GodSpeed63, a simple schoolchild's primer on what actually constitutes the scientific method would reveal to you the fallacy of your accusations. I doubt though that you have any inclination to find and refer to any such thing.

You prefer instead to accuse others, of them having "no excuse".

I have already given you Proverbs 18.13, here is another verse, this time from the NT:-

...with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again....(St Matthew, 7.2)

The Gospel is the Good News. Forgiveness, mercy, love, Grace. Be careful that in the end it is not you who stands with no excuse.

Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait
The earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool
Neanderthals developed tools
We built a wall (we built the pyramids)
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries
That all started with the big bang! Hey! 🎶

The one thing science can't measure or know, expands beyond us, time, the universe, and comes from God...the Creator of all things visible and invisible, eons ago. It fails miserably at putting God in a box.

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Just a few more excuses

Actually the Bible has a crucial role in science. As a reporter of events. The guiding Star of Jesus birth may well fit with records of a Comet. The Flood of Noah may well reference a massive Tsunami following the volcanic eruption that took out the Minoan Empire. So "Bible Science" can indeed be useful to real scientists.😷

Three responses:

1) The Bible is not a science book.

It does not purport to be such, anywhere.

It DOES have collected records of "how we interacted with God" from the point of view of (primarily) the Jews, Scripture, proper. Then, in the New Testament, it continues with collected records based upon Jesus, then His disciples + Paul.

Nowhere does it say, "The Book of Science from God", etc.

You are stretching the text AND reading it in an anachronistic fashion.

2) Actually, the Bible supports a fundamental observation of Darwin, which is that, if you look at a historical arrangement of living things, you see a "progression of forms".

Both of the creation stories--the creatio ex nihilo which was read by the Apollo astronauts, as well as the (probably Mesopotamian) story of creation from mud--show an increasing complexity of forms.

If they record a revelation to a non-scientific guy like Moses around 1850 BC/BCE, it is interesting that this is preserved.

3) You should look at the Wikipedia article about "consilience". It is a newer term, but it means that various, independent lines of research converge to the same answer.

Evolution is based upon consilience.

The age of the Universe and global warming are other examples.

Except you are the one who offers no facts or evidence to your claims. You expect us to just blindly believe you.

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I can put up as many as you can. You have no excuse.

I know before the time of heart surgeries and medication to prevent your limbs from falling off, man those were the days. I miss no medical care available and only God miracles everywheres. Soooo great, I always wanted to go out like that.

This is the closest god and evolution will ever get

They change definitions to suit their delusions..

Sorry, Star Trek science is way cooler

As others have said, you describe perfectly the stance of virtually all ardent believers in Biblical "truth".

There is a reason why they support science blindly them because back in early days, some bad rulers wanted these people to do things which they liked irrespective of logic. At that time, science came for their rescue.


But Now, instead of finding logic behind the things, they got enslaved by another popular ruler - That ruler is science.

“Science”

You're projecting again. It is you who runs away when confronted by real evidence. Science is based on verifable evidence, not myths and fairy tales.

Here is one from Proverbs, 18.13....

He who answers a matter before he hears it, It is folly and shame to him.

Virtually all Bible based Christians, AKA Fundamentalists, would do well to reflect upon those words. This before indulging in further folly and shame.

What a bunch of horseshit.

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