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Question for christians: Why does god refuse to let Moses and Aaron into the land he promised to the descendants of Abraham and Isaac? [Spirituality & Religion]

In Numbers we see that the people are thirsty and god tells Moses to speak some water out of a stone for them.
Moses gathers the people and strikes the stone with his staff and water gushes forth.

God calls this rebellion and says Moses and Aaron will never enter the promised land.

But then in Deuteronomy, Moses says that god was angry with him because of the actions of the isrealites and that's why he was not allowed in.

So what's the deal? Is it because the isrealites lost faith that god punished Moses? Or is it really an inexcusable act of rebellion to produce water from a stone by hitting it instead of speaking to it?

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Carazaa · F

Pikachu, Not quite! Moses said "You rebels" not God to the Israelites"You are reading fast and missing parts evidently! Moses is representative of the Israelites and when they complained God was upset with all of them, therefore God killed many, and kept the rest including Moses in the desert 40 years longer. But he still fed them and gave them water! Moses didn't follow Gods instructions he hit the rock this time, not spoke to it as God had said, so the Israelites didn't see the water coming out by Moses command and might have thought it a bigger miracle.

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Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa So if he doesn't get his own way, he murders people?
Is he mob connected? 🤷‍♀️

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 God doesn't like complaining. He made us we should never complain ever. "[b]In everything give thanks"[/b]

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa It's all threats & fear!!

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 No its God helping them and them complaining about the food he gives them. God is very good. People don't get that God goes out of his way to help us. And he deserves our praises. He died to set us free from our own destruction.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa Have you actually read the bible?

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 Yes that is why I am explaining it to you.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa The road back to Atheism is littered with well read bibles!!
With respect hun, you treat the bible like a buffet. You only pick what you like & ignore the rest.

Carazaa · F

🌷@Harriet03 Wellthat is what you think, but I don't. I take it all in from a Godly all knowing spiritual perspective that God has shown me. The difference between you and I is that I see the human condition as wretched miserable and totally lost and prideful, and God as knowing the ending of our story. You look at God from a human perspective, and humans as ok as long as we try and you see our miserable lives and God not helping. Your perspective is common unto all men. God helps me, I know he does! I really need to write that book how God answers and goes before me.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa You might consider your life miserable, I certainly don't!! Have you no self respect? ✌

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 I want God to be pleased with me and I think He is, that's what is important to me! I am quite a confident person because of that. Self respect? I think I am nothing, and super flawed. If it wasn't for God helping me miraculously I certainly would be dead, or homeless.

LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa The way to approach this story is as literature. There is no evidence outside the Bible that the Jews were ever slaves in Egypt, although their ancestors did live in the Sinai desert as Bedouins do today.

Carazaa · F

🌷@LeopoldBloom Well you can believe anything you want, but I know as I know as I know that my redeemer lives 🌟

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa You are entitled to believe whatever you want hun, just don't shove it down other peoples throats! Especially children.

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 Children need to know God loves them!

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa Indoctrination through fear. [image deleted]

Carazaa · F

@Harriet03 Sad but true!

Sharon · F

@Carazaa [quote]Children need to know God loves them![/quote]
In the same way that they need to know that Santa Claus brings them presents.

Carazaa · F

@Sharon I never taught my kids there is a santa because I would never lie to my kids. God is important. And if kids know to pray than they will feel better and then God can protect them from harm, and make their lives successful.

Sharon · F

@Carazaa [quote]I never taught my kids there is a santa because I would never lie to my kids. [/quote]
I wouldn't lie to my children either, that's why I never told them about the christian god. They saw Santa though.

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Carazaa @Sharon
I split with both Santa and Jesus when I was 6. I really missed Santa for a while!!

Degbeme · 70-79, M

@Harriet03 I gotta get you a bigger spoon. 🤭

Harriet03 · 41-45, F

@Degbeme Cmon 🤷‍♀️

LeopoldBloom · M

@Carazaa I've been much happier since I stopped participating in religion, which includes prayer.

It's nice that your religious practice makes you happy, but it's the height of arrogance to assume that applies to everyone. You've never shown the slightest interest in why I became an atheist, because at bottom, you just don't care.

Pikachu ·

@Carazaa

sure...i'm not sure what you said there that was any different from what i said though...

Carazaa · F

@Pikachu You said that God called it rebellion, but Moses called the Israelites rebellious.

But I should delete my responses except the one that he striked the rock instead of speaking to it. Speaking to it would have showed the Israelites that it was God not Moses hitting the rock that made the water come out. Which is what God wanted. So now they are stuck there for 40 years. God expects obedience. (Well the OT are books to show us why we need Jesus, because his standards are too high for us)

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