This is for you unbeliever in Jesus Christ! Please answer this question, I reallywant to know, if it is true that the Bible is true would you believe? [Spirituality & Religion]
1. YES
2. NO
2. NO
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Carazaa 路 F
@Gusman Yes I guess God wants us to be loving and he showed that when he died for your sins. If we are not loving towards God and man we wont go to heaven. It is quite simple. Your choice. I care about you though and would like you to understand that any of us can die tomorrow and we have no guarantees that we will ever have another chance to say sorry to God and have faith.
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Gusman
[quote]It is Dictatorial. "Do as I say or else.......[/quote]
... Well, that's byeond dictatorship... it's "tyranical", because of the consequences of the "or else" clause.
But the question was: "if you think it's true"
meaning that you accept the idea that:
1. There is a God
2. The bible represents the truth
3. You can revolt and end up in a really bad spot for all eternity or get into a really good spot for the entire eternity.
If that is true... would you still revolt? Or conform because you know it's true AND because you know God "loves" you AND the tyranical consequence of your revolt. Because I think if you know all that to be true, you either not so smart or really revolutionairy to be in a bad spot for the rest of eternity just because you consider your own moral system over what (in the world where the bible is true) are objective morals. (yeah I know, it's a brain fuck)
[quote]It is Dictatorial. "Do as I say or else.......[/quote]
... Well, that's byeond dictatorship... it's "tyranical", because of the consequences of the "or else" clause.
But the question was: "if you think it's true"
meaning that you accept the idea that:
1. There is a God
2. The bible represents the truth
3. You can revolt and end up in a really bad spot for all eternity or get into a really good spot for the entire eternity.
If that is true... would you still revolt? Or conform because you know it's true AND because you know God "loves" you AND the tyranical consequence of your revolt. Because I think if you know all that to be true, you either not so smart or really revolutionairy to be in a bad spot for the rest of eternity just because you consider your own moral system over what (in the world where the bible is true) are objective morals. (yeah I know, it's a brain fuck)
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Carazaa Well it's a consequence...
If you accept the bible to be true.
Then God is a natural force and "objective morality" (something I don't believe in) excists. And if "objective morality" ain't followed, you end up in some bad place for all eternity (or don't get annywhere at all... depending on what you believe in).
If the bible is true (like 100 percent objectively right) in that reality... it would be pretty bizar to rebel against it. Because even normative constructions of morality (those that we have in this world) are objectively wrong. All the time... no matter how you feel about it. Because Gods' morality in the bible is objectively right.
Luckely for all us... objective morality isn't true, and we it's not "objectively moral" to stone people in the market square because of their sexual prefrences. Luckely all of this... is just a piece of fantasy people get to hooked up on because of feelings and culture.
If you accept the bible to be true.
Then God is a natural force and "objective morality" (something I don't believe in) excists. And if "objective morality" ain't followed, you end up in some bad place for all eternity (or don't get annywhere at all... depending on what you believe in).
If the bible is true (like 100 percent objectively right) in that reality... it would be pretty bizar to rebel against it. Because even normative constructions of morality (those that we have in this world) are objectively wrong. All the time... no matter how you feel about it. Because Gods' morality in the bible is objectively right.
Luckely for all us... objective morality isn't true, and we it's not "objectively moral" to stone people in the market square because of their sexual prefrences. Luckely all of this... is just a piece of fantasy people get to hooked up on because of feelings and culture.
Carazaa 路 F
@Kwek00 But what if it is true?馃槈 And God does love us, and if you really study the Bible, like many have then we know more and more that those stories are from God to you personally.
And the "stoning" and stuff is a symbol of how far we are from Gods purity and Holiness. He is so pure and Holy and perfect that if you pick up a stick on the Sabbath it deserves stoning as a disrespect for his Holiness.
But He does not want you to have a punishment at all, and he abolished it all when He came and became a man and became the one stoned and tortured for your sins so you wont have to go through it! only because He loves you! That is our God! We are so far from God that we don't even realize it most of the time!
And the "stoning" and stuff is a symbol of how far we are from Gods purity and Holiness. He is so pure and Holy and perfect that if you pick up a stick on the Sabbath it deserves stoning as a disrespect for his Holiness.
But He does not want you to have a punishment at all, and he abolished it all when He came and became a man and became the one stoned and tortured for your sins so you wont have to go through it! only because He loves you! That is our God! We are so far from God that we don't even realize it most of the time!
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Carazaa See... here we go again. "What if it's true".
You know... this question about the truth of the bible, is something that fascinates loads of people. And loads of people have been researching it. And everyone that doesnt have a bias on religion found that there are too manny hick ups in how the bible came to be (and how we read the bible... like, it's not only how it came to excistence, it's also the cultural norms that were created on how we should understand it). That it just lacks anny consistency for it to being true.
Since we can say it's not true... we have to valuate to bible for what it is. A historical piece of literature. With some great parts (like It's pretty enjoyable to read). But making it into a religion... is just like a book-club that took their favourite book a bit to far.
[quote]And the "stoning" and stuff is a symbol of how far we are from Gods purity and Holiness. He is so pure and Holy and perfect that if you pick up a stick on the Sabbath it deserves stoning as a disrespect for his Holiness.[/quote]
That's true... it's only objectively moral to stone people on the other 6 days of the week. That makes sense.
If you really read the book from cover to cover... you'll also see that God has a pretty weird way of loving people. But of course, if you take the premise that: "the bible is true" for proven fact (which I already said isn't the smartest thing to do) then it all makes sense. But for people that don't accept that premise, people that think like you are pretty cwazy.
You know... this question about the truth of the bible, is something that fascinates loads of people. And loads of people have been researching it. And everyone that doesnt have a bias on religion found that there are too manny hick ups in how the bible came to be (and how we read the bible... like, it's not only how it came to excistence, it's also the cultural norms that were created on how we should understand it). That it just lacks anny consistency for it to being true.
Since we can say it's not true... we have to valuate to bible for what it is. A historical piece of literature. With some great parts (like It's pretty enjoyable to read). But making it into a religion... is just like a book-club that took their favourite book a bit to far.
[quote]And the "stoning" and stuff is a symbol of how far we are from Gods purity and Holiness. He is so pure and Holy and perfect that if you pick up a stick on the Sabbath it deserves stoning as a disrespect for his Holiness.[/quote]
That's true... it's only objectively moral to stone people on the other 6 days of the week. That makes sense.
If you really read the book from cover to cover... you'll also see that God has a pretty weird way of loving people. But of course, if you take the premise that: "the bible is true" for proven fact (which I already said isn't the smartest thing to do) then it all makes sense. But for people that don't accept that premise, people that think like you are pretty cwazy.
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Carazaa I also know people that know that the earth is flat. And my dad knows that if your car is in gear, that it can still run away (even tough it's in gear). And I know certain people think they are super smart, but they really are not... some of the consistencies in human beings is that they know a lot of stuff and have a tough time questioning those things that are really deeply engraved in their subconciousness (like value systems) that they know (mainly feel) to be true.
That however, doesn't make it right.
That however, doesn't make it right.
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Carazaa Yeah, at 7. I read a lot of stuff when I was 7 and I really believed that too. You would be amazed what I believed when I was 7. Critical thinking isn't really something most people develop when they are 6 years old.
I also don't see how this is even an argument for the bible being true. It's the same like saying: "I know some smart people that believe the bible is true"... it doesn't matter how manny people believe the bible is true, just like it doesnt matter how manny people believe the earth is flat. It doesn't change what we objectively know from the bible, how it was constructed, and how church fathers learned us how to think about it.
I also don't see how this is even an argument for the bible being true. It's the same like saying: "I know some smart people that believe the bible is true"... it doesn't matter how manny people believe the bible is true, just like it doesnt matter how manny people believe the earth is flat. It doesn't change what we objectively know from the bible, how it was constructed, and how church fathers learned us how to think about it.
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Gusman yeah, not wanting to be an annoying little fuck here.
But in that world where the bible is objectively true.
Why would you reject it? By rejecting it, you would be objectively wrong?
Doesn't that put you in the same position that we criticise religious people for? Wouldn't you sin to the same things that we don't like about people that adopt a premise that is just wrong?
But in that world where the bible is objectively true.
Why would you reject it? By rejecting it, you would be objectively wrong?
Doesn't that put you in the same position that we criticise religious people for? Wouldn't you sin to the same things that we don't like about people that adopt a premise that is just wrong?
Kwek00 路 41-45, M
@Gusman I'm not sure if you got her original question. The original question was that you have to accept that it's true that the bible is true. And in that reality, "would you believe?"
The question by itself is quite ridiculous, because if you know things are true, then "believe" isn't really a good word choice. But in that reality... would you accept it... well, if you don't, then why not?
My vieuws on the bible aren't far off from your vieuws. We do come to the same conclussion. But that wasn't what was asked, it's off toppic.
The question by itself is quite ridiculous, because if you know things are true, then "believe" isn't really a good word choice. But in that reality... would you accept it... well, if you don't, then why not?
My vieuws on the bible aren't far off from your vieuws. We do come to the same conclussion. But that wasn't what was asked, it's off toppic.