Do you Want Proof God Exists [Spirituality & Religion]

We are not here to convince. We are just messengers. The rest is up to them. If they miss heaven, all the answers in the world, won't mean a thing. If we were meant to have all the answers, God would have given them to us. Yet in his wisdom, he knew that nothing is as important as making sure we all knew how to have eternal life in a better, happier place. Who wouldn't want that? Who would turn that down and miss heaven? The Bible says a fool says in his heart, there is no God.

Even science cannot disprove God exists. Galatians 1 , verse 8 says "but though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you, then that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." If people don't want to believe, that's up to them. We didn't come to convince. Just to give the message. Our minds are too finite to figure out an infinite God. We cannot stand in the shoes of God and give answers that only He knows. We don't have God's mind and we cannot see all that God sees.

Both the believer and the atheist hold beliefs, but it takes more than faith to have salvation. It takes grace, which is unearned favor from God.

There are approximately 11 million species of life on earth, including humans, and all of these, including the universe itself, began by chance. Right. lol

I'll have to respectfully disagree. I haven't seen any proof of god(s) creating anything, or for that matter being anything else than a way of a conceptual thinking.

It’s not necessary to me. I can appreciate the beauty in the world without thinking some sentient being is responsible for it. In fact, it’s a little easier to believe that when bad things happen it’s because of the randomness of life, and if it weren’t me, it could’ve just as easily been someone else.

[quote] consider the perfection of the human body[quote][/quote][/quote]

Gonna have to disagree with you there. This is a common argument used by creationists but it is not backed up by facts.
Anatomy of humans and of many other animals is actually a pretty good argument against a creator.
While we are marvelous machines, there are many sub optimal and even absurd physiological mistakes that would get any engineer fired.
Just to name one example, look at our backs. We have the spine of a quadruped. The way the pressures are distributed are fine if you're walking on all fours but when walking upright it is the reason we have so many lower back problems and why we can slip a disk just by sneezing.

And if you're denying that evolution happened at all we can get back into the evidence which i suspect you can't refute.

What you have are questions about how evolution managed this or that. What you don't have is evidence that it did not happen.

[quote]just look ou the window at the glories of nature. consider the perfection of the human body if well cared for, the beauty of the colors f the fish, the sounds of the birds. the vastness of the heavens. now tell me this all just happened accidentally? [/quote]

If that couldn't have happened as a result of random events, how could a much more complex "creator" have come into being and why can the same answer not be applied to the universe?

Whoever has told you some of these things has not been truthful to you.

I believe a creator is quite possible. But whether they hand crafted the Earth or just started a chain of events... I feel the latter is more likely at this point. Fact is life on Earth is highly flawed. Take humans. We evolved as good as we possibly could to survive yet just a change in our body temperature can kill us, not enough vitamin C or D can kill us, not enough water can kill us, not enough oxygen... And these are the daily challenges we face as a species. Seems more likely that is random than a God making us so flawed.

No one said it happened accidentally. It is scientific not fantasy. Those birds...that grass...those fish...that water...it all came to be systematically and was changed through the course by natural disasters..scientifically explained events.

I think there comes a time to end the chatting, when all people want to do is argue for arguments sake. Not everyone will believe, and that’s their prerogative. Keeping it going, actually brings a lot more harm, than good, I believe. Neither side can “prove” anything. Not when Jesus said it only takes faith. One either believes, or they don’t. It’s that simple. When people start arguing about it over and over and over and over, it actually turns people away from God.

The universe, as awesome and beautiful it might be, at the macro level, is no proof of the existence of God, than wars, crime, and the cruelty of individuals, at the macro level, is disproof of the existence of God.

It's a matter of faith.

[quote]man's brain went from survival mode to creative, reasoning, intelligent thinking in the space of a blink of an eye[/quote]

How do you know that? How do know that it was lack of tools, that was the obstacle. As in, language, paint, paper, canvas, etc. had not evolved. Even in fight or flight mode, early cave dwellers, still managed to draw. Who knows how many drawings were not preserved, during passage of time.

If, by horizontal evolution, you mean Horizontal Gene Transfer (HGT), then you should check into how HGT works in bacteria, as a reaction to antibiotics/pesticides.

We don't have the non-God math fully worked out, but if you think math, as we know it today, is the litmus test, then that also fails to explain God, so it boils down to faith/belief system.

smh, at some of these conversations. Unbelievable.

god works for you.

I already believe in him.. :)

What is horizontal evolution?

W a load of B.S

I'm okay thanks
I don't need convincing

I absolutely agree with you!