Do you Want Proof God Exists [Spirituality & Religion]

@LadyGrace Only one needed to have begun by chance, the rest could evolve from that one by minor random changes. There is solid scientific evidence to support evolution.

@rob19 With God, Nothing happens by chance.

@LadyGrace So where did god come from? That must have been by random chance.

@rob19 God always was. That is, he had no beginning. He has always existed. It's just that we don't understand that with our finite minds.

@LadyGrace In the same way as the singularity that expanded into the universe always was? Infinity is a difficult concept, hypothesizing a god doesn't help.

@rob19 You assume I hypothosize.

@LadyGrace No, I'm not assuming anything. The idea that a god created the universe is just a hypothesis but it's not a helpful one. It doesn't answer the question, it just replaces it with another. "Where did the singularity come from?" become "Where did god come from?" As the answer to the latter can be applied to the former, the "god hypothesis" doesn't help.

@rob19 You are assuming everything. You don’t know me or what I experienced. Are you smarter than God and you know everything? Were you there before creation began? Then don’t be so closed minded and certain, about something you know nothing about. You can’t prove there is no God...so you assume there is not. Just because you can’t see Him, does not mean he’s not there. Do you realize all the millions of things in this world that we’ve never seen or heard of, yet exist? God will not be limited or put in a box of your making. He is God. That’s why he can do everything and anything. If you don’t believe that, I’m sorry.

I know for a fact he is real, because I had experienced him and nobody can discount that. And you’ll come back with “well, that’s no proof”, I’m sure. To me it is. That’s all I need. It’s up to you to find God, as it takes all the desires of your heart, mind, and soul to do so. You don’t need proof, you need faith. That’s what it takes to find God, but you’d rather discount Him, than search for him.. Time will show you the truth. There is so much evidence of God, it’s not funny. But those who don’t want to believe, could never have enough.

@LadyGrace I'll say it again, I'm assuming nothing. You're right that I don't know what you experienced but nor do you know what I have. I do not believe your god exists because I have seen no evidence to support that hypothesis. I can't prove there is no Santa Clause, Invisible Pink Unicorn or even Russell's Teapot but that alone does not prove that they do.

Although we have no proof Santa Claus exists, many children have faith that He does. Events at Xmas convinced me Santa was real when I was younger. I presume, from what you've just said about finding god, that's all they need to find Santa.

If, as you claim, there is so much evidence of your god, why not present it?

@rob19 Even science cannot disprove God. In science they only look at the facts, the rest is theory, they look for things they can prove or disprove. That's why the Big Bang Theory is still just a theory. They have no proof that it happened. And even if they push it, there is still the question of who or what caused the big bang.

If you can't see it, hear it, or feel it, it's not real, huh? So, does that mean all the other planets in the universe don't exist? Or all the other things you can't see, hear, or feel? You can't see Satan, but he exists. That's why there is so much evil in the world. You can’t see love, but that’s real. You can’t see electricity in the air, but it gets you what you need, when you need it. Don’t limit yourself. Don’t mess around. If you really want to know him, you’ll find a way. If you miss heaven, all the answers in the world won't mean a thing.

@LadyGrace Science cannot disprove Santa Claus either. You don't appear to know what the word "theory" means in its scientific sense. It's not just an idea (that's a hypothesis), it's a tried and tested explanation of observable phenomena. We do have proof that the Big Bang happened but we are not certain why.

Do you believe in Santa Claus? You might not be able to see Him but there's no proof He doesn't exist.

I can't see electricity but I can detect and measure it. Various theories also allow me to make accurate predictions of what it will do under various conditions. Maybe if you understood the scientific method better, it wouldn't seem so mysterious.

@rob19 When Jesus was alive, there were still people who disbelieved him, even though he performed miracles. So why would he want to prove himself to anyone in this day and age? People who want to disbelieve, will always believe. God sets the standards here, not you. He said it takes faith to find him. You ask me to prove the supernatural. Accuracy cannot be ascribed to something supernatural. It is in the spiritual realm. After one is saved, it is the Holy Spirit that comes to live in them and filter them and then they understand spiritual things because their spirit is united with the Holy Spirit. I really don’t care if people believe in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny or whatever. None of those can offer salvation. Jesus does. He saved my soul. It is the Holy Spirit that makes himself known, after one steps out on faith. It is a gift, for the asking. I don’t make the rules. I just know they work, from experience. You choose not to believe that, and it’s not up to me to prove it. Of course you can’t see God! He died on the cross thousands of years ago, and then you ask me to prove He existed. You may not realize it, but there are plenty of atheists who have found that God is alive and real. After he died, it became a matter of [b]our spirit[/b] knowing God’s Spirit, that’s why it takes Faith now to know Him, since you can’t see Him. You can’t see gravity, yet you know it’s there because you see the effects of it. Open your eyes and you will begin to see Jesus in everything about nature. But that wasn’t the end of the story. Over 500 witnesses saw him resurrect from the dead, yet you will have any excuse you can find, to disprove that as well, so there’s no point. The fact is, you don’t want to believe. You asked me why I don’t prove it. That’s not why I am here. That is the job of the Holy Spirit. But for that you have to open your heart and mind and truly want to know him and find him. Seek and you shall find. That’s the only way. I have presented page after page after page of evidence that Jesus is real, in the past, only for them to still just want to argue about it. I won’t do it again. It really wears a person out and I came to realize that Jesus said to just tell people about him, not prove it. As I mentioned that is the Holy Spirit‘s job. If you truly want to know Jesus, all you have to do is read his Word, and he will reveal himself to you. If not, all I can say is, you’re not that eager to know him. Your unbelief will not do one thing to change God’s plans. He doesn’t need anyone’s approval. He is also not going to belittle himself, by stooping to your level where you say he must prove himself.

@rob19 You contradict yourself. Theory is when they don’t have facts to back things up. They don’t have facts to back up the Big Bang, that’s why it’s still called [i] The big bang [b]theory[/b].[/i] They can’t prove that God did not create the universe, since they don’t know him. Some do and they believe, yet others have to still catch up.

@rob19 Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable? Here’s what Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said:

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence. Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all, is a miracle.”

@LadyGrace As I said and you have just demonstrated, you don't understand what the word "theory" means in its scientific sense. You seem to be confusing it with "hypothesis". Scientific theories [b]are[/b] backed up by facts. Religion, on the other hand, is based entirely on blind faith, often contrary to established facts.

Of course the laws of natures remain constant. If they didn't it might be evidence of some supernatural entity.

You completely misunderstand Richard Feynman's comments. That's not surprising as Quantum Physics is a very difficult concept to grasp even for a trained scientist so a layman has next to no chance. I don't understand why you even mentioned that anyway. Quantum theory is [b]only a theory[/b] after all.

God does not expect "blind" faith from us. He tells us that faith comes by hearing, and hearing, by the Word of God. [Romans 10:17] And you blindly believe you have the assurance of waking up tomorrow. Are you prepared? That’s what counts, above all. @rob19

@LadyGrace I don't believe your god expects anything from us as I don't believe it exists. What I do see is christians blindly believing a collection of stories without question.

There is a high probability I shall wake up tomorrow but I know it is not a certainty.

@LadyGrace The word "theory" in science refers to a proven model of real world events, so it is backed up with hard evidence. You seem to be confusing it with "hypothesis".

@Lynda70 I am still confused about that because I’m thinking how can anything be a proven model if it is only a theory?

@LadyGrace Your saying "[b]only[/b] a theory" indicates you simply don't understand the definition of the word "theory" in its scientific sense. In everyday layman's language, the word is used carelessly to refer to a vague idea or, at best, what scientists would call a "hypothesis". That seems to be where you're getting confused.

A scientist starts with a hypothesis then, as a result of observation and experiment, refines it until he or she has a proven, working model. That model, or "theory", allows predictions to be made based on prior observation. For example, a theory of gravity predicts the acceleration of a massive object falling to the ground. Another theory explains why a 2kg mass accelerates at the same rate as a 1kg one. As a lay person, you might not understand the meaning of the word "massive" in its scientific sense either. It means anything with mass, not necessarily a lot of it.

@Lynda70 Hmmmm....you’re a lot smarter than I am on this. 😄 I’ll have to do some thinking on this. 😂