Women arguing against the decision by FINA to disallow transgender women from competing at the olympic games as 'women' because it's 'unscientific'

@NerdyPotato Well firstly, transgender people aren't an amorphous mass. Not every transgender believes it is enough for a male to say he's a female, some not even making an effort to to appear female, and everyone should comply with his demands

Secondly, there is debate about whether trans risk of suicide is alleviated by calling someone the wrong pronoun. I personally think we could be leading to a massive increase in mental health issues by making trans trendy

Thirdly language is powerful. Calling someone the wrong pronoun can lead to mass societal delusion - as in fact has happened here with biological males taking out records of biological females

So I do not choose to put the demands of a selfish, entitled male above the needs of girls and young women to fair competition

I do not demand women and girls sacrifice their right to fair competition

Or agree it is ok to take that away from them without their explicit consent

Are you aware of how important female sports are to the mental health of females?

Are you aware of the demoralizing affect of knowing you cannot physically win on young female athletes and the importance of fairness in sport?

Are you aware of the psychological damage on females of being told they are not as important as males?

That they must sacrifice their goals and ambitions, their happiness for men?

And if they don't they'll be revilled as selfish?

That a largely male panel will decide that women again aren't as important as a bloke. That their feelings are inherently worth less than his

Etc etc etc

How do you feel about actively harming young girls?

And not only am I putting my biological sex over the fantasies of Willian and his ilk I'm also scientifically and objectively correct

That's a dude.

I am really disappointed in you that you don't seem to understand innate fairness

Surely you wouldn't take advantage of your greater strength to rob a woman of their achievement?

I wouldn't compete against children and feel any satisfaction if I beat them

To see these chucks up on a podium beaming and accepting adulation while their victim is unseen - the woman whose achievement they stole - whose place they took, is perverse

Where is decency? Where is integrity? Where is valuing the achievements of female athletes?

William is still a middle rank male. His sporting prowess isn't suddenly amazing and inspiring because he grew his hair long and walked around the female locker room with his dick hanging out

@NerdyPotato In addition, I believe the nuevo trans movement is profoundly sexist. It arose from scientific studies that have subsequently been discredited that there is such a thing as a "male" brain and a "female" brain.

It is far healthier if a male that wants to wear dresses and grow his hair long feel able to do that as a male, than to become convinced he has the "wrong" body and undergo major surgery

And if William thinks he has the "wrong" body - why is he using that body to beat the owners of the body he feels he should have -but doesn't

In reality I see very little evidence most trans even have the qualities stereotypically attributed to the sex they're claiming.

It is largely skin deep, superficial adherence to the current modern fashion most stereotypically associated with the opposite sex.

William with his male entitlement and that 'Elliot' chick bawling and whimpering - hardly a paragon of masculinity - why then, did she hack her breasts off?

So really one has to ask what it is all actually about and what any of it actually means or signifies

It is a profoundly illogical movement

@NerdyPotato "It's great that you won't contribute to harming women, but you are contributing rather actively to harming transgender people. How do you feel about that?"

I'll give you an allegory to help you understand my position on what has happened to women's sports

You live in a village. In that village there is a madman who believes he is a Prince. If anybody contradicts him he becomes unpredictable and violent. You agree that it is kinder and more sensible to address him as "Prince."

You wake up one day and find the man sitting at your table eating your food. His pockets are stuffed with your belongings.

You race outside to get help to remove this man from your house.
When you try to get people to help you they reply, "but we can't. He's a Prince."

@SW-User yep, or actually more that being able to lift more gives you more status, but that's related to being in the heavy weight class.

@NerdyPotato I get what you're saying but keep in mind that a 250 pound man might be a world champion. A 250 pound woman unless she's taking steroids is just fat. 😂

Furthermore she has differences to her skeletal structure that impact on her ability to lift and bear weight

As well as a different weight to muscle ratio she has different muscle composition. She has smaller lungs and her body has less ability to oxegenate

That's why if you put a female lifter of the same weight against a male weight lifter it still isn't going to be an evenly matched contest 😊

@NerdyPotato another thing that doesn't quite ring true is athletes often fast to remain in their competitive weight group

It is better to win as a middleweight than come 400th as a heavyweight

The other thing is that weight is to a large degree within ones control

A woman is not able to alter her pelvic girdle

@Torsten if you keep reading, they keep bringing up people with birth defects into their equations to justify their logic. Using a super small minority group to pad their bottom line so to speak. I read some of the comments on your post, good god I want no part of that.

@JestAJester not surprised they do haha. I have read so much extreme shit from people on this subject and its like people give them a free pass.
I dont care about being hated on for my opinions in the slightest. Its amusing at times to see how emotional people tend to get over them when i feel it is so tame but i dont understand where the people are that endlessly swarm around my posts but when it comes to the real extreme shit, they are no where in sight. I wanna see drama when I am not involved damn it haha

@ExtremeNext maybe I will identify as a chick and go swimming with them, just for you 🤣

@NerdyPotato Yes, I do not believe someone thinking they're a duck, makes them a duck and gives them webbed feet. And I never will.

@NerdyPotato Just as a side note I want to point out that a trans person needing to believe they are actually the opposite sex - is extremely recent

Many trans people are perfectly fine with their identities.

@SW-User that's a good development, and the duck comparison is a good one. Just saying you're a duck doesn't make you one and even surgery can't turn a human into a natural duck. But turning your stomach skin into some webs for between your toes, can make you look more duck-like and less human-like, improve your ability to swim and reduced your chances to win a marathon.

It does indeed not change how your were born, nor does that matter for the present. But it does affect what you can accomplish, in both good and bad ways, and doesn't hurt anyone else. So it's a fitting and simple analogy. Thanks for sharing that!

@DrScissorhands I'm all for a rough classification based on factors that matter for the sport in question, which may be influenced by DNA and HRT. I just don't think those are ultimately determining factors in themselves.

And I'm saying rough classification, because sports would be boring if all participants were about equal in all respects. Some contestants being better than others due to a genetic advantage or training style is kind of the point of sports and it would ruin the joy of participating and watching to eliminate that. We don't put Ethiopian marathon runners or basket players over 6.5 feet in a separate league either, despite them having an obvious advantage over others. Creating leagues where everyone is equally likely to win is no sport but a lottery and we have different systems/broadcasts for those.

Maybe I'm too open minded though. 🤷

@NerdyPotato 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

That's not why women's sports exist. The FIFA rulling is based on the fact that an average male teen would be competitive in the women's elite league.

The top female athletes ie worlds best rank about 400th across many many sports

Even a group of high school boys have trashed the top female soccer team

Biologically we are different sexes. That has a physical reality

@NerdyPotato to address your XXY example. That is a genetic condition where something has gone wrong in early cellular development. Luckily the extra X is largely genetically obsolete and the boy grows up perfectly normally as a male.

@Applepiedom yet that is what organizations demand because so many fans are obsessed with what's in someone's pants to classify someone's abilities. I agree 100% on drug testing and somewhat on DNA testing, if that looks at extraordinary genetic advantages for the sport in question, rather than sex chromosomes alone that may be an indication of capabilities at most and definitely not a determination of those.

@NerdyPotato sex dna. If you want to be better train better. Hell I'd like to be a body builder but am smart enough to know that that isn't going to happen. Some people are meant to be athletic,some aren't. But males ( in any shape) shouldn't be in female sports and other way around

@Applepiedom exactly! Some people are better than others at something (and usually the other way around in other activities). Nothing about that is unfair. There is however much more than chromosomes to masculinity, and being a man by any criteria doesn't by definition make you stronger than a woman. I'd love to see the average man who thinks it does take on any female bodybuilder.

@BeefySenpie

@DrScissorhands I love this gif 😎

@Classified well for women and girls it is kind of important

@SW-User Of course, but it drags on for so long.