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COVID 19 JUST ANOTHER FLU? [I Ve Got Something To Say]

RESEARCHERS ARE NOW SAYING the best way to build the herd immunity is to allow everyone who is healthy under the age of 40 to mingle go back to school and work if you still have a job,let these healthy people be exposed that way the herd immunity will grow naturally and the safer we will all be. they now are saying the virus was here as early as late jan, so shutting us away in march ,was like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.they panicked the feds remember trump saying up to two million people will die if we dont,people will be dropping dead on the subway. lol their bad leadership has led to 10s of millions unemployed growing higher daily,moneyless jobless ,who have more to fear from the economic consequences.Its a shame we cant build immunity from the state .

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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP

Can’t help but feel REAL doctors been saying that for months..
Thank god we listen to politicians and billionaires invested in vaccines and in the pocket of big pharmaceutical..

Can’t wait till there’s a pill for idiots.

FurryFace · 61-69, M

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout part of me can see you munching on em like they're Smarties , meh but i'm weird too

Viper · M

Everyone has always said the best way to build herd immunity is to get most people sick, especially not the super young or the older folks, this has been known for decades, nothing knew there.

The problem is that then all the young people bring it to the old people, how do you think it got I'm all the nursing homes to start with? Either employees or visiters. So the theory of the plan works, but the reality of the plan it fails as someone has to watch over the elderly and adults (usually a number over 40) have to watch out for children, either as parents or employees.

People are acting like there was a good answer, when if you look at it realistically there wasn't a good answer, every answer had major huge f'n draw backs.

If you wanted the best for the people, shut everything down for one or two month until the virus died.

If you wanted the best for the economy, then let the virus go wild and let many die and build up the immunity the quickest and all of the same time.

Worst case scenario, is you half ass one of these, ans then half ass the other, meaning neither work correctly and you just prolong the event which is what the US has done.

yeronlyman · 51-55, M

@Viper

People are acting like there was a good answer, when if you look at it realistically there wasn't a good answer, every answer had major huge f'n draw backs.

👆 this 👏

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

@Viper the problem with just letting folks catch it is that something like ten percent end up crippled for life. That's gonna cost us all something! Then when people think they're cured it comes back. Then they keep spewing viruses for months afterwards. Best not to get it to start with.

Viper · M

@Tastyfrzz Like I said, every method has a clear drawbacks, there is no one completely good answer.

Other than socially distance, and wear a mask and face shield when you can't.

erikman48 · 61-69, M

It has not been confirmed that herd immunity for Covid 19 exists.

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Viper · M

@SW-User There have been many unofficially reinfection, once person has claimed they have tested positive 3 different times, months apart with negative test I'm between.

I believe a British study stated (which I have no idea if it's scientific or not), that there is a immunity but it disappears with time.

Suggesting those with mild symptoms have their immunity runs up in amount 3 months, while those with more serious cases have longer immunities as their body builds more, but those immunity don't stay in our system after the virus disappears.

SW-User

@Viper the reinfection is a specific case in Hong Kong
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88234

Viper · M

@SW-User I don't have interest in reading right now, but there was an official case in the US too

EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M

No sources? Just "researchers are saying"?

Just to save you from further embarassing yourself here’s a source and some facts.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808
Do you know how much of the population has to be imune for herd imunity to work?

Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

EDIT: Here's some simple math. If 6Mm infections = 180k deaths, then 200M infections would equal nearly 6 MILLION deaths!!!

Even if we say that for Covid-19 we would only require 70% to achieve herd imunity, is 70% of the demographic in western countries under 40? Hell no, not even close. In the US alone nearly 30% is over 55.

please stop spewing bullshit

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EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M

@GaVmarts

Then your issue isn't the restricition which are in place to slow the spread of a virus during a pandemic but the lack of social protection awarded by your government.

You should be demanding social benefits and protections and not to return to your daily life.

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@EuphoricTurtle you think that any government can help keep all people financially afloat?

Soon the eviction freeze will be lifted and the furlough scheme ended.

People will use their jobs and their homes.

EuphoricTurtle · 41-45, M

@GaVmarts No, just like they can't stop all new infections. What they can do is mitigate as much as possible. For instance our furlough measures have been extended so far up to a year.

yeronlyman · 51-55, M

Sar2 is not "just another flu" thats an accepted consensus. Its likely that if someone is saying that they have little grasp of the facts
We have vaccines for the flu and some herd immunity
Furthermore, we shouldn't underplay the flu its a nasty disease

On Covid19
Currently best evidence synthesis says immunity post covid is potentially 3 months or longer, but no guarantee of long term immunity... so going all out for herd immunity may be a false and costly strategy
The jury is still out

The UK delay in mitigation in favor of a herd immunity challenge was a good example of how fast this virus can spread and cost a significant loss of life.

The n-shaped death curves we've seen may not occur acutely again (remains to be seen, if they follow a similar trajectory to the 1918 pandemic mortality curves) even if case numbers rise
This may be due to a number of things:

1) spreading in younger under 45 years old and less vulnerable
2) protection of older or more vulnerable
3) protection of nursing and care homes
4) the initial wave may have hit the most vulnerable
5) weakening of the virus (not proven but potentially a game changer)
6) Better public health strategies
7) More attention to social distancing, mask usage and hand hygiene

As we don't have a vaccine, the closest thing we have to a vaccine at the moment it is public health measures:
protect the vulnerable, social distancing, mask usage and hand hygiene, and trace and test to isolate cases
A huge part of this is self responsibility

There is little doubt with mitigation strategies this virus could have been far worse mostly by overwhelming healthcare structures. We came fairly close to full CCU capacity.

Generally, countries that delayed or fragmented public health strategies fared worse...

But in the end all nations are struggling and its vitally important to get economies up and running and its absolutely possible to do this in a measured way
Here the priority is : Work, school, healthcare and sport

there is no golden bullet, yet, but a mix of strategies is likely to induce a better outcome

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

Try placing the blame where it belongs .Young people between 18 and 30 seem to think they are immune and not taking it seriously with illegal parties etc .They may not die if they get it , BUT can pass it on to others who it could kill that they come in contact with .It has been proven that this is the age group that covid is rising in .So if you want to point the finger then get your facts right .
The government are trying to protect the disabled and elderly from dying thanks to young people recklesly flouting the rules .

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GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@RhodesianmanGo on following Johnson and his oppo Cummings, mate.

That is obvious common sense

Rhodesianman · 56-60, M

@GaVmarts I am using common sense .Staying away from crowded places , keeping my distance when going out , wearing a mask in public , using hand sanitiser when neccessary and not touching anything I dont need to .I am keeping myself safe .

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@Rhodesianman Such dedication. Write to Boris Johnson, he can give you a medal

SW-User

Can you reference the research?

Seems against the current UK modelling. The problem is those under 40 don't live in a total bubble that does not ensure they don't/can't infect the vulnerable.

Also to be pedantic. Its not flu. Coronaviruses are distinctly different in structure etc to flu viruses.

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

@SW-User Do you have ANY idea just how MANY models the UK has tried ??
It's an absolute joke !
They're looking for somebody else's blueprint to TRY and get some semblance of 'predictability' and it just aint there !

SW-User

@Picklebobble2 I understood up to 16 teams were providing advice to SAGE. Apart for John Hopkins model I thought most were UK derived. The imperial model that's now available for anyone to use is the gold standard.

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

@SW-User And yet the ONLY proven one that works is what South Korea achieved.
But then unlike the west they didn't waste months pursuing their own business first no matter what agenda.
So as soon as we knew that was wrong we were already playing catch-up in environments that aren't safe to begin with

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

I don't know who these researchers are but it has been proven in Sweden that "hard immunity" does not work.

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GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@PTCdresser57 the economy against dying people dying?

PTCdresser57 · 61-69, M

GaVmarts...you didn't answer my last question. You will feel different when it happens to ppl you know....believe me.

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@PTCdresser57 and tell that to the parents of kids who have committed suicide because of the effects of the lockdown.
I am sorry if you have lost someobe.

revenant · F

Much ado about nothing

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@revenant The eloquent French view.

AbbySvenz · F

Yes, let’s have another surge that will overload the hospitals and health care workers.🙄

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GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@SW-User Of course you know pwople and they are of the highest integeity

SW-User

@GaVmarts do you ever provide facts, evidence or thought through opinion in a discussion or just throw childish insults?

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@SW-User in your case childish insults. It is obvious from your posts that is all you understand.

no because we were very lucky and lockdown worked.

Very lucky?????? Science relies on luck?

curiosi · 61-69, F

We will never completely eradicate virus's so locking everyone away is pretty stupid. Let us live our lives!

Oster1 · M

@curiosi Very true and I’m not ignorant for saying that. Neither are you!😊

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

This is the number of people ih hospital from Covid 19

And in the UK we are heading into another lockdown and we have cancelled Christmas.

Suicides have spiked
Domestic abuse cases have increased
People will start being evicted soon
Unemployment will hit record levels
People are dying because of cancelled treatment.
Enough

NerdyPotato · M

@GaVmarts hospital admissions only show a small part of the story. Little to no symptoms still leads to permanent disability in 1 in 10 cases.

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@NerdyPotato so you can have a serious illness, life and debilitating without being hospitalised?

where do you get that information from?

NerdyPotato · M

@GaVmarts yes, and not only is it possible, the chance of that is much higher than to die from the initial symptoms.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-brain-damage/a-54111054

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

Honest to God these people will kill you with their incompetence.

Government as we know it should be replaced by the military with Doctors leading the way for how logically to live life until this thing is defeated.

Because if the current democratically elected morons screw this up any more and kids start dropping at school then there really will be chaos

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GaVmarts · 31-35, M

taken from the Hopkins article.

All over the US I have friends in the states and their lives are normal.
Stop watching CNN

Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M

@GaVmarts ....and denial is a river in Africa. I'm done with you.

GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@Picklebobble2 Go and watch CNN mate. Typical, when you can't develop an intelligent discussion, you attempt to make snide remarks.

You merely demonstrate a distinct lack of reason and understanding.

Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T

Why not just write letter to the virus and ask it to stop. Just dont tell it its another flu. U might offend it.

NerdyPotato · M

Infecting everyone under 40 seems like a good plan as few of them die or even get severely ill. But 10% do become disabled due to permanent damage to the lungs, heart and brain. What do you think that is going to do to the economy?

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GaVmarts · 31-35, M

@NerdyPotato

Severe brain damage possible even with mild symptoms

They love the words 'possible' and 'may' don't they?

Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M

@NerdyPotato time to become an undertaker.

NerdyPotato · M

@GaVmarts the virus is only a few months old, so obviously long term data is limited. More research is needed (and being done) to quantify the extend of long term or permanent damage, but it is clear that there is more to it than the initial symptoms.

AkAtSUki · F

More people die from starvation worldwide than from this phantom menace

SirenCalledLuce · F

Let’s be honest. Nobody knows what to do for the best. And everyone is petrified of being sued for either being too cautious or not enough. So I just do what I think is best to keep myself and those I love safe and healthy.

Mandalorian

The problem with that is that the people saying it dont plan on being the members of the herd that will die, do they?...lol

Chelsiegirl · 46-50, T

The study in China found that a third of the people with mild COVID-19 had diarrhea. The problem, including watery stool, was usually not severe. The diarrhea lasted for an average of 5 days

Hahahah

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