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British society at its worst

Boy who starved to death was too small to reach the fridge.

For our American friends, this is a brief summery of the tragedy. A high risk child of two lived with his fifty nine year old father. Social services visited twice in the holiday period, but could not enter the property. They informed the police who failed to act. In the meantime the father died of a heart attack, and the toddler starved to death. He was found hugging his father.

Neighbours were aware there were problems, but did not act. British Society is much like that.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I'm. not going to say there weren't errors. Clearly there were. This is though also a legacy of govt policy that has cut social services to the bone. Social workers are massively over-worked. In that environment, mistakes will happen more
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Burnley123

money is being spent in the wrong places .... well @ least where i live
Philth · 46-50, M
@Burnley123 once again hitting the nail squarely on the head.
novaguy2u · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Unfortunately a very common problem in many societies today.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Been reading the court case transcripts.

SO many opportunities missed. SO many department heads not ensuring caseworkers were on top of it.

Once you know the facts it's easy to call it neglect on the part of the Safe-guarders. But i suspect as we get into the conclusions it will come down to the same thing it [i]always[/i] does.

Too few people trying to cover way too much with insufficient funding or resources.
And there's the second tragedy.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
It is an extremely sad story. But you have talked here mainly about the state actors, whose role is necessarily limited by law, funding and practicalities. To my mind the saddest part of all is that there were apparently no friends, relatives or neighbours who were close enough to be concerned.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Indeed - but no-one likes to be too "neighbourly"; and these ones might genuinely have not realised anything was wrong. So perhaps not lack of concern but fear of taking any action.

We don't know if there were any other relatives - apart from the divorced mother of course - but if there are, they might all live a long way away, and not contact each other very often.

That is probably very common, even normal. Families do disperse.

I can give my own example.

My sisters and I all live in the same village, but not in each others' homes - a point one made when I asked if she was willing to complete a supplement to a longitudinal study in which I am a subject. She wasn't, largely because as she said, we don't actually know each other's daily lives closely enough.

We are quite close socially as well as geographically, but we don't monitor each other and don't even see each other all that often.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@ArishMell Yes, it's quite difficult to make the call on when to step in unless you have specific caring responsibilities for that person. Peoples' homes are like fortresses and the defences are tricky to breach when they are put up.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
A terrible tragedy but you can't write off an entire country's society like that.

If "British society was at its worst" as you claim, the authorities would not now be trying to find out where they went wrong.

Remember though that social workers do have limits. They cannot break into someone's home.

One common result of a child's unwarranted death (usually criminally, not accidentally as here) is a call to "put procedures in place" so it can't happen again. Well, it can and will - you cannot predict every tragedy - but I wonder if some of the difficulty is too many "procedures", rather than not enough. Establishing so many and so detailed, that they stifle initiative, make case-workers etc. fear to tread and hamper liaising with the other services?
Matt85 · 36-40, M
Yeah, I read about that. Sad. 😢
I cannot see these tragedies are going to stop.

Yes, there will be public enquiries. But in the end it is the loosening of family bonds that is the issue here, and the lack of cohesion in society itself.

It is a reflection of the times we live in.
@Picklebobble2 I tend to agree with you on this .Time and resources will help. It is not a reflection on the people who work in this field. I share their frustrations.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@sunriselover 35 years i've been in Social Work and in all that time it's never been any different.
Endless charities doing stuff we should be doing because we're qualified and trained in how to do it.
We just don't have the time because there are too many cases not being resolved and moved into 'recovery' mode.

Too few Foster Families; too few Adoptive families and even if you find them the process for taking wonderfully intuitive people and making them approved Adopters takes way too long due to court proceedings; rebuttle from parents/families; endless stops and starts and in the middle of all that a child who is trying to make sense of their past; trying to cope with their present and mistrustful of their future.
novaguy2u · 70-79, M
@sunriselover If they put half the effort into finding solutions as they do into public enquiries then there may be fewer tragedies.
RubySoo · 56-60, F
Is a very sad story. This happened in my home town a few years ago. A toddler was found lying on the floor with his dead parents. It was believed they died on xmas eve of drugs overdose, and the poor boy had lived days after, but died of starvation. Just awful. X
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@jshm2 It’s more a commentary on society in that children are not valued, so the public resources allocated toward their welfare are inadequate.
@LeopoldBloom How well do you know your neighbours? Most of us life in isolation. How well are we in contact with our family network? ?Is it too loose? I think it is a commentary on British society today.
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PleasurePunch · 100+
unspeakably tragic.

how have we managed to make a world like this??

I personally go nuts if I hear a whining dog somewhere.
pdockal · 56-60, M
thats horrible but unfortunately I think it happens in a lot of civilized societies
ineedadrink · 51-55, M
It's not too often that I read a news story that makes me gasp but this one did. Wow.
ImpeccablyImperfect · 51-55, F
Heart=broken

Ohhh my lord
Heartbreaking
American cps is just as bad, it's almost as if they want these high risk children to die as part of Bill Gates' eugenics plans.
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