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While I underatand this, i don't buy into it.


Look, I go years sometimes with no physical touch from others. Not even platonic, but I don't make that everyone else's problem. The problem is men see *all* touch as sexual, and that makes them predatory and lonely from masculine friendships.
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Is it purely a man thing tho ?

I reckon many of us suffer from it and react in different ways.

Like, im overly chatty. Im sure its got to do with needing deeper connection and conversation.

Yet when i had a good relationship....i could breeze around, focused on groceries or whatever..... and people were almost invisible.

Now im hypersensitive to them.
I have to be careful. Chat too much to some dude....and they'll follow you !


Since COVID its even worse. People will shy away of you stand too close.
Then we over analyze if someone does stand too close.


Biologically we are geared for touch. We literally physically, mentally, emotionally, biologically, immunologically and endocrinologically need touch.

I do think men are more 'sexually' geared tho. They think about it more often.
So....i can see where a touch might trigger their thinking.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@OogieBoogie
I do think men are more 'sexually' geared tho. They think about it more often

I think that is the huge issue. Many of them refuse to touch unless it has a sexual potential and since they view it in that light, no touch from a woman makes them feel unlovable. In turn, they start to blame women for their own programming provided by other men.

It's a vicious cycle that can be broken, but only if men want to.

Also, sorry about your rl situation! How frightening! But it illustrates why women have to be protective at all times. You never know the person you are dealing with.
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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@OogieBoogie Amen!!!! 🙌🙌🙌 Sadly, untik we stop worrying about genitalia, and staet focusing on the actual people, that's not going to happen.
Society has labeled male touch as "predatory" or "creepy", so men have learned to starve themselves of human contact just to make women feel comfortable.

WTF ?
This is part of the incel mindset that has decided women owe arbitrary men access to their bodies, regardless of the woman’s wishes. That men as a group and their wellbeing are more important than women’s.

That person’s post ignores the women in happy relationships who are delighted to touch and be touched by their partners on a regular basis.

If a man can’t develop relationships with women where the woman at least feels safe and wants to be with him, that’s something he needs to look at. He’s the common denominator. It’s not the fault of all womankind.
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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@uncalled4 Just keep in mind, just because it doesn't frame your life or experiences doesn't mean it isn't happening. That is a falacy and not a legitimate argument either.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

I, on the other hand, am surrounded my toxic masculinity in my workplace (blue collar work) and community (most white cis men) where men don't make physical contact with one another due to "homosexual" fears and if a man is wanting physical attention from a woman, it is usually sexual in nature.

I'm glad you aren't affected. Work on those around you to make sure they aren't either. But don't use it as a basis for an argument. Your experience is different from mine.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
@FoxyGoddess It may be happening elsewhere, but not here. That's not a logical fallacy. The logical fallacy is that it's happening because you say it is. I think we won't agree on this. Have a good day!
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
If they aren't getting touched I'd say it's a good indicator that people see them as untrustworthy. Now why might that be..? 🤔 Either they put no effort into getting know anybody or perhaps because they get weirdly sexual about it themselves. Why would anybody owe any stranger physical touch? You get to know someone closer, let them know you aren't a threat and I can't see why you wouldn't get a friendly hug or a pat on the back. Maybe only if you make something much more out of it than it really is and make it painfully awkward and embarrassing for both sides and reveal yourself as untrustworthy.
Most of this is true in my experience. Only the last sentence is bull. Most men aren't dying from a lack of touch. And I don't think the anxiety and depression from that alone is severe either. It may pile onto other sources for that though.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
Not all men are predatory or lonely. I was brought up in a family of huggers and kept it going in my family.

My wife is quite affectionate. And the people in my coven greet each other with hugs. We're like a family with chosen relatives.
BooksRMe · 46-50, M
That's clearly an incel sentiment. If one is incapable of being in a mutually agreed relationship, one must either live accordingly, or be someone who should be behind bars.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
I respectfully disagree. I do worry than touching will be misinterpreted by the recipient. That is why i sometimes avoid contacts.
FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@samueltyler2 Which is exactly the problem. Men worrying that other men will think they are beinghit on when all that is being shared is friendly contact
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@FoxyGoddess what i was alluding to is not man on man embrace, if i feel a woman could use a hug, I ask if it is okay. I won't even compliment a woman on her clothing.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
You're making a generalization about billions of people that is neither true nor supportable.
My guy friends all hug each other. I hug my women friends, too. I'm not trying to get with any of them.
@uncalled4 One thing I remember about growing up in a largely Italian and Jewish neighborhood is that I saw men being hugged and kissed by their fathers and grandfathers, nothing in the least "weird" about it. My own father hugged his brothers and his son, so that wasn’t unusual to me, either.
Chiefjustice · 46-50, M
The problem is men see *all* touch as sexual, and that makes them predatory and lonely from masculine friendships.
, I am trying to really understand this statement. Which man is it referring to, i dont believe it meant "all".
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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F
@RoguishEyes I'm not sure what my age has to do with this and how is it not men's fault?
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