While I underatand this, i don't buy into it.

Look, I go years sometimes with no physical touch from others. Not even platonic, but I don't make that everyone else's problem. The problem is men see *all* touch as sexual, and that makes them predatory and lonely from masculine friendships.

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bijouxbroussard · F

Society has labeled male touch as "predatory" or "creepy", so men have learned to starve themselves of human contact just to make women feel comfortable.

WTF ?
This is part of the incel mindset that has decided women owe arbitrary men access to their bodies, regardless of the woman’s wishes. That men as a group and their wellbeing are more important than women’s.

That person’s post ignores the women in happy relationships who are delighted to touch and be touched by their partners on a regular basis.

If a man can’t develop relationships with women where the woman at least feels safe and wants to be with him, that’s something he needs to look at. He’s the common denominator. It’s not the fault of all womankind.

BooksRMe · 46-50, M

@bijouxbroussard Best answer!!

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

@bijouxbroussard People online are just making shit up now. If they're not straight-up trolls, they're woefully uninformed.

We're not good men if we're inconsiderate to women. Women are our mothers, sisters, daughters, coworkers, friends and we ought to do right by them.

bijouxbroussard · F

@uncalled4 It amazes me how many people still seem to believe men and women are a different species. I was raised to believe all of us, regardless of gender, race, etc. have much more in common than not.

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

@bijouxbroussard We're more alike than not, but we're definitely not the same. And that's fine up to the point where communication is difficult.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@bijouxbroussard I agree. It is a very incel point of view. Unfortunately, it is also pretty common. Men won't touch each other because that is viewed as "gay", but women owe them touch for being men and lonely.

It's a very unhealthy point of view that men have imposed on other men. It is sad to me that out of fear of homosexuality, they prevent themselves from having meaningful healthy relationships.

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess I see we have made zero progress on this issue.

What you're saying has zero basis in fact. I have no idea where you got this from.

You continue to make a sweeping generalization with nothing to back it up.

Why? Can you tell me? If not, it's another unnecessary, unsupported attack on men.

It's ok, we're used to it.

FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@uncalled4 There is plenty of fact available. Google is your best friend. (But once again, women have to do the labor)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/putting-psyche-back-into-psychotherapy/202309/men-need-to-spend-time-with-men

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-male-friendship-experience/202602/the-power-and-peril-of-platonic-male-touch/amp

https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/help-im-afraid-to-touch-my-guy-friends/

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FoxyGoddess · 51-55, F

@uncalled4 Just keep in mind, just because it doesn't frame your life or experiences doesn't mean it isn't happening. That is a falacy and not a legitimate argument either.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

I, on the other hand, am surrounded my toxic masculinity in my workplace (blue collar work) and community (most white cis men) where men don't make physical contact with one another due to "homosexual" fears and if a man is wanting physical attention from a woman, it is usually sexual in nature.

I'm glad you aren't affected. Work on those around you to make sure they aren't either. But don't use it as a basis for an argument. Your experience is different from mine.

uncalled4 · 56-60, M

@FoxyGoddess It may be happening elsewhere, but not here. That's not a logical fallacy. The logical fallacy is that it's happening because you say it is. I think we won't agree on this. Have a good day!