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In early 2020, democracy fell off a cliff edge.

([i]...although many readers of this post have not perceived this, and are persuaded that all is well, with our steadfast government doing its very best for us.)[/i]

Covid-19 proved to be much more than the bad flu virus with a low mortality rate that it basically was. It provided the test ground and gateway to usher through the ultimate end-game, the United Nations’ (UN) Agenda 2030, a socialist/fascist hybrid designed to force the world into a New Dark Age in the name of ‘sustainability’, with a new feudal system to match.

‘Follow the science’ became the official mantra, and an excuse to impose totalitarian tools of control. Anti-science measures such as authoritarian lockdowns and social distancing that bankrupted the British economy were imposed. The NHS was shut down to all but those with Covid-19. Thousands of old people were left to die neglected, shut off in care homes or home alone. Children were locked out of school.

And so much more damning evidence of a malevolence that you would never think possible - [b][i]UNLESS YOU HAVE HAD YOUR EYES OPENED TO SEE THE LIES BEHIND THE PROPAGANDA.[/i][/b]
ArishMell · 70-79, M
You really don't care about the effects on people of a disease new to our species, which if left unchecked would have been even more destructive than the Mediaeval 'Black Death' plagues.

You really cannot offer any sensible, practical [i]and humane[/i] ways, can you, to deal with pandemics, especially of new diseases against which no-one has any prior natural immunity.

Yes, Covid_SARS_19 is a lot less readily fatal than Bubonic Plague, which unlike Covid nearly always kills, and within three or four days, but is caused by a bacterium so can be treated with antibiotics... if caught in time. It would have left huge numbers of people dead, others suffering long term effects, many millions more all too ill at the same time to work, to study, to socialise or do anything else - including treating all those ill people and disposing of the dead.

Apart from being simply so inhumane, letting the disease rip as you advocate for mere fringe-political beliefs, would obviously have been far, far more harmful economically and socially than any of our irritating but temporary attempts to control it. Oh, and it is still with us. Covid-SARS-19 is here to stay in humans - and still kills some. As does Influenza.

In time, enough humans would have recovered sufficiently to have developed some natural immunity; but how many? At what cost?


Come on, admit it: the suffering doesn't matter to you, does it?

All that matters to you is using a pandemic with all its suffering and death, as a tool in your campaigning against the United Nations you fear and hate for no logical reasons.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell traditionally 5 deaths is the limit to a Vax. 149,000 dead in the US alone from the Vax alone. Time to end the silliness.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell Just came across an account out of New Zealand. 30 people got vaxed at the same place and the same day. Now all 30 are dead. There is talk about a criminal investigation into those deaths.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@hippyjoe1955 That is awful but, assuming most or all of those deaths are from the vaccine, that suggests most likely either a bad batch of the vaccine, perhaps from poor storage; or negligence or incompetence by those administering it.

"Talk of" a criminal investigation... by whom though? It's certainly not for the Press, social-media or politicians to speculate on, not even the Police unless there are clear legal grounds to do so; but it definitely needs investigating, properly, and impartially.

I don't know New Zealand's legal system but thought is similar to Britain's, where unless the incident is obviously criminal - such as a burglary - you have establish [i]how [/i]something happened to show if or not any [i]law [/i]has been broken. A breach of work procedures would be an employment-disciplinary matter.

I hope they do find out quickly what happened and how, including the real causes of death (e.g. embolism from air in the syringe) [i]then[/i] take whatever actions may be deemed necessary; but "talk of...." only hampers that.

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I would draw a parallel with the awful Grenfell Tower fire in London back in (2018?): no-one has been charged with any offence because the Public Inquiry investigation stage, slowed by the pandemic, has only just concluded and the Report has yet to be completed and published. Until then no-one can or should accuse anyone anyone of anything, because we do not yet know if [i]offences in law[/i] (rather than, say, ghastly but genuine mistakes or ignorance) have been committed, and by whom. [i]Then[/i] is the time to decide what action need be taken, by whom, for or against whom.
1954zebedee · 70-79, M
Just like all other conspiracy theorists you need to wake up.
1954zebedee · 70-79, M
@WalterF I wouldn't have said you're a fool. Those were your words.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@1954zebedee You misunderstand. The fool listens to one side only, swallows it whole, and becomes a disciple.

The reasoning person listens to both sides, evaluates them, and decides which he can accept.

Clear?
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Be it through gun control, climate change, war, TDS or the latest health scare like COVID, the globalists learned long ago that they can leverage the media to create panic and division as a method to control the public and get us to willingly give up our freedom.

To your point, globalists have really ramped up the fear tactics of late.

This was a good one from last March. Climate change creating a deadly new fungus. This narrative probably did not get the desired response, because we haven't heard anything about it since.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@BizSuitStacy Good at analytical debate and reasoned compromise, aren't you?

I'll leave the matters of guns and Washington trying to govern the Middle East, to your own country's own internal arguing. I know the former question is one of your land's most bitterly divisive problems.

Climate change obviously won't "destroy the planet", but obviously threatens to harm or destroy much of what is on it; and it is an international problem, not some mere, childish, USA party-political campaigning spat.

The true origins of Covid have not yet been established, but yes the vaccines (and other precautions) have saved many lives and avoided vast amounts of non-fatal suffering; and yes this too is an international problem, not a mere Rep. v. Dem. Party matter in just one country.
@ArishMell [quote](climate change) obviously threatens to harm or destroy much of what is on it[/quote]
And the solution? More taxes 🙄
Never mind that 400K years worth of Vostok core samples conclusively show that global increases in temperature [i][b] precede[/b][/i] increases in atmospheric CO2. Cause and effect issues. Whoops.


[quote]The true origins of Covid have not yet been established[/quote]
Yeah...during an 18 month stretch after the outbreak, they tested more than 80,000 animals (wild and domestic) across 209 species in the Wuhan area...none ever tested positive, but Fraudci insists it wasn't a lab leak - even despite the DARPA documentation indicating lab manipulation of the covid virus during GOF research in Wuhan.

[quote]but yes the vaccines (and other precautions) have saved many lives[/quote]
Dumbest comment on the thread. You absolutely cannot prove the jab saved a single life. Plenty of evidence supporting the vaxx has done far more harm than good.

I'll happily debate anyone on gun control. One of the biggest lies out there. As for the Middle East...one only has to look at the Bush and Obama administrations pouring the gasoline and lighting the match.

Thanks for playing.
Fairydust · F
@ArishMell

How do you know they vaccine has saved many lives?
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
Simply put....... you are a loon...
Fairydust · F
@ilikeitlikethat23

Takes one to know one 😉
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
No, I think you fell off the cliff and hit your head, hard, on the way down.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@ilikeitlikethat23 Oh I can see that this is bothering you... your second comment in two days? Maybe a niggling doubt, that it may after all have been imprudent to do as the Great Doctor Fauci said?...
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
@WalterF what the hell is a "niggling" no I'm about to get the latest covid booster, I think Fauci is a very talented, dedicated doctor that cares about people. Why if someone doesnt do what the maggots feel they would do, they make death threats? It happens all the time to politicians, election workers, generally anyone they disagree with.
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WalterF · 70-79, M
@Max312 Move on to what? Agenda 2030 is tightening its grip. Covid dead, the new pressure is on climate change. This billions-of-years-old natural and normal phenomenon is being weaponised against humans, whose activities must be restricted in order to "save the planet". It's so laughable - yet the good folks are swallowing every word.
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long before that.

the veil was lifted is all..
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