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Being tolerant of intolerance is not a virtue

Some people seem to think that judging and being intolerant are the worst possible things you can be. Really, so there's nothing you judge, nothing you're intolerant of? Nothing you consider morally reprehensible? Do you believe morality is objective or relative?
Mathers · 61-69
We live in an intolerant age. The most intolerant people style themselves ‘liberals’
@Mathers [quote]Oh boy you need to read respectable newspapers[/quote]
Can you name even ONE "respectable newspaper" that doesn't have an online presence?? No, of course not! But you just keep making up more and more lies. It's sad, really, how little respect you have for the truth.
Mathers · 61-69
@Mathers Yep, I knew you had to be asleep. 🙄
[quote] Being tolerant of intolerance is not a virtue[/quote]
I agree with this. There are times, about some issues, where I can’t be neutral.
MalteseFalconPunch · 36-40, T
@bijouxbroussard That right there is absolute fact.

I wish I could heart it twice.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@bijouxbroussard Dante in 1300 specifically made a circle in hell dedicated to those who in life won't take a side. 1300!

"Centrists" (that aren't even centrists) climbing on mirrors trying to justify a position that was deemed immoral already by people living literally in the middle ages.
Gaiia · F
But who decides what "intolerance" is. ...people used to be quite intolerant of everything in the past and things changed..
So depende from what side one sees things to become intolerant... Or tolerant

I think that you definitely won't tolerate certain things and everything , but realizing they still exist is being realistic... Like cultural things etc, it's just a different way of living life, I don't agree with them but it's like that.

And also seems that people get horrified now just cause it's taking place an important event, otherwise they didn't mind so yeah I dislike that just now they chose to care
Ynotisay · M
@SW-User Just to toss it out there, all those workers who died over the past ten years were not working on the stadium. That's the total of migrant worker deaths in the country since they got the WC nod. Foreigners outnumber native born citizens there so it's proportionate. Qatar is a seriously messed up place, and screw them, but that death total got out there without context.
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
@SW-User Thats a very good point.
@SW-User “all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing”
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
anyone who doesn't judge people is either naive beyond hope or indifferent (which is worse than being intolerant)
Wiseacre · F
Exactly...I was never one to go with the flow. I always speak up because silence is acquiescence!
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
@Wiseacre I ALWAYS remember what one of our teachers once told us-"Always form an opinion,on EVERYTHING.Express that opinion as loudly as you can.Expect others to disagree with you.Argue peacefully.But do not ever hold your tongue."
We all judge internally, even if it's just a simple reaction of liking or disliking.
To some extent, judgement is necessary. It's how we choose who we want to work for, go out with, be friends with, what we eat, select our priorities etc.

However, we live on a planet where there are countless ways of living, different values etc.
Many of us live in cultures where there is relative freedom of thought, speech, faith and lifestyle. That means there will inevitably clashes between people who disagree with each other.

Everyone has a right to both freedom and peace.
As a naturally social species, life becomes horrendous and unbearable if we are constantly assaulted by those who do not agree with our values.
But if something is[i] harmless[/i] we should tolerate it whether we agree with it or not.
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
@hartfire I disagree.Just because a thing might be "harmless",lets say homosexuality,doesnt mean its beyond the judgement and criticism of others.
I being not "homophobic" in the sense of wishing harm to anyone,but i do disapprove of it.I do not see it as "harmless",i see that it can be a basis for the breakdown of a calm and peaceful society.My opinion,you can disagree of course.
@wonkywinky
Okay - so let's look at why we disagree and what we consider "harm".
Sometimes "harm" can be an objective and obvious reality, such as when a pedestrian's leg is broken, as he traverses a crossing, by an absent-minded driver who fails to stop. Other harms are more subtle and less visible, such as the fear a black mother feels for her toddler when she insists he stay close by her side - she knows if she lets him explore freely he might come to harm - the result of experiencing a lifetime of daily micro-racist insults and a few that are not so micro but serious and dangerous.
@wonkywinky 2nd reply...
Interesting.
Since you choose that example, I'll address it.
I don't see homosexuality as harmful to society in any way.
Of course, if a homosexual adult were to groom or seduce a minor, I would consider that harmful and wrong.
For the same reason, it's wrong for religious leaders to seduce or sexually abuse members of their flock, teachers their students, doctors their patients, lawyers their clients, bosses their employees.
The issue is not gender orientation but the problem of inequality of power, riding roughshod over people who are vulnerable and may not understand the danger to their emotional health.

I can see why, in OT days, patriarchs might have seen any form sexual intercourse outside marriage as harmful to inheritance laws, guarding against accidental incest between people who don't know who their parents were. They were also trying to ensure as many babies as possible were raised within the security of a functional family at a time when maternal, infant and child mortality was extremely high. Abiding by the laws of monogamy helped ensured the survival of the 12 tribes and the newly developing identity and culture of Jewish people.
But today we live on an overpopulated planet. We need no more than 2 kids born to a couple - slightly under what is required for replacement. If we combine this with making it easy for people who don't want kids to remain childless, this leads to a gradual dropping of the planet's total population. Ecologists estimate that Earth cannot safely hold more than 5 millions humans without causing harm to the natural environment - harm to all ecosystems on a scale that inevitably ends up harming humanity as well.
If this idea became widely accepted, we could then say that homosexuality actually helps to bring down the population, at least among those gays who don't want to raise kids. In this sense, being gay could contribute to helping create a more ecologically sustainable world.

But there is another argument for why homosexuality is harmless in society. It is about love. Love is that which nurtures. While gays occupy all professions, they often occupy roles of creativity and service. They contribute enormously to our culture. Those who don't have kids (tea majority) often give far more hours to their work. They are, thus, enormously beneficial contributors to our society.

If you believe they cause harm to our social fabric, please tell me how and why? I would like to at least understand your point of view.
Joeyyy · 26-30, M
I agree. Being tolerant of everything means standing for nothing.
Ynotisay · M
I agree. Tolerance, like respect, is a two way street. I don't need to be tolerant of hate. Or those who perpetuate lies or hurt others. There's seems to be this push that if someone believes something that's enough. It's not.
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
Im a firm believer in judging and having opinions on things.
There has become a tendency to think that "morality" means "religiousness",that if you live quite amorally,you can avoid judgement by not being religious.
But morality is the oxygen of society,there must be behaviours and beliefs,that people,quite rightly,might find offensive,and have every right to judge others by.
Morality like grabbing women by the pussy?
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
@Ryderbike The best kind of morality.Of course women hit back too!
DDonde · 31-35, M
Agree with your sentiment
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
There is a song: Everyone's A Little Bit Racist, from the show Avenue Q. Everyone needs to listen to it and think about what it says l
@samueltyler2 I havent heard the song, but I’ve certainly heard the saying throughout my life and I’ve just never believed it. It seems like an excuse people make for their own racism—"well, everyone is. I’m not so awful".
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@bijouxbroussard the idea is to accept and change. You must see the film She Said.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
It's about seeming moral and good for most people,actually being it is a foreign concept to them
SW-User
@Rolexeo Seems like it. "don't judge" is just about the most toothless moral stance one can take.
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
@SW-User Yep, just be an inoffensive good noodle, that shows "maturity" nowadays.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Change is in everything. So being either tolerant or intolerant is irrelevant.

Change promotes both. No change is impossible for change abhors a stasis.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
That reminds me of my ex saying, " We're going to have a fight. Pick a topic!"

Vegans vs. Meat eaters
2nd ammendment protection for machine gun owners.
One religion vs. Another or None
Vax vs. Antivax
Climate deniers vs. Tree huggers.
Alcohol vs Dry
Socialism vs. Capitalism
Legalize Prostitution yes or no?
Legalize Marijuana yes or no?
Trump vs. Biden
Right to life vs. Right to choose.

Get set....go!
Book burning is a fascist deal
CopperFox420 · 36-40, F
[c=BF0080]humans judge. most living things need to make judgements to survive. Humans are privileged to be too quick and poor at judging yet still survive. Thus I think we’ve become bored and now we insult everything and everyone we don’t understand [/c]
MrBrownstone · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Motto at the buffet
In fact, it just cancels itself out, so it is nonsensical

 
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