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What would you do?

So I was just in a Walmart (writing this from their parking lot). I was driving by and thought, "oh maybe they would have something..." 🙄

You see, I'm looking for a nice quality (better than my phone) point-n-shoot camera. Something that would fit in a small purse or pocket but have really good quality.

I've seen them online (Amazon, etc) from Sony and Canon, but I want to hold it first, feel it, etc.

So anyway, there I was looking at the tiny camera section with nothing I wanted and once again realized Walmart was a waste of my time. So I look up for a way out other than the crowded front doors. I see an exit sign and head that way. Another exit sign and another.

I realize I'm probably heading to one of those emergency exit only doors with the alarm if you open it. But no, I arrive at a big automated door in the front of the outdoor/seasonal section where they are currently selling fake Christmas trees.

Right over the doors is that sign that says these doors must remain unlocked when building is occupied. So I walk up to it expecting it to part like the Red Sea. Nope. Auto open not working. No problem. I push. Nope, won't budge. An associate yells over to me, "sorry those doors are locked. You have to exit at the front."

I paused but then couldn't resist myself. I stood and pointed to draw his attention to the sign requiring the doors be unlocked. I assume this is some kind of emergency or fire code, right? He just shrugs and says they are always locked in the winter.

Being the good concerned citizen that I am, I proceed toward the front to exit and look for some supervisory looking person on the way. I find a guy who's name tag says Assistant Manager. Oh good, I think, he can make something happen to correct this dangerous situation.

I explain what I found (a locked door after following lit exit signs) and he tells me they don't like trouble makers and if I leave quietly he won't have to trespass me. What!?!?!?

I'm now sitting in the parking lot with steam coming out of my ears.

1) Being trespassed from Walmart or from all Walmart would be no sweat off my back. I haven't spent a dollar there in years.

2) I am really tempted to call the local fire department and see if they do random inspections and if they'd send someone over.

What would you do????

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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
I'd tell the fire department and see if the Assistant Manager throws the person they send out for trespassing.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Thinkerbell Yes they did.

@dale74 They have powers of arrest??
dale74 · M
@sarabee1995 fire Marshals carry handcuffs and guns
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@dale74 I had no idea.
Kstrong · 56-60, F
Call the fire marshal and follow up if anything has been done about the safety of customers and employees. A fire code violation
Kstrong · 56-60, F
@sarabee1995 youre talking about the general population safety.... in case of fire, you need the nearest exit! Having them open is important!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Kstrong I made the call.
Kstrong · 56-60, F
@sarabee1995 id check the doors again in about 4 weeks, see if anything has been done, follow up
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
My dad used to be a fireman and he is always noticing stuff like that.

There is no problem until an emergency happens, then it's a crisis.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Burnley123 Yup. And for that reason, I just called the fire department.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@sarabee1995 You did the right thing.
TexChik · F
If you want your pound of flesh, report the store to the fire Marshal and let them deal with it. I don't go to Walmart , ever.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TexChik I really think I should. It is a safety issue.
TexChik · F
@sarabee1995 and your thumb in their eye!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TexChik Made the call over an hour ago.
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
Report the Assistant Manager and include his threat.....

Publicly name and shame the store on Social media.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KiwiBird I just called the fire dept. They said they'd check into the door.

Didn't report the manager. 🤷‍♀
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KarateAaron · 46-50, M
I would call the Fire Dept. -- maybe that is the reason for requiring those doors be opened, and if so, maybe the Fire Dept. will fix this situation, and maybe one day there will be a fire there, and people's only path to escape will be those open (previously locked) doors, and they will survive all thanks to a concerned citizen who decided to do something!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KarateAaron Called them almost an hour ago.
KarateAaron · 46-50, M
@sarabee1995 And, what happened?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KarateAaron No idea. Someone else suggested I check in a week and update here so I might do that.

The fire dept said they're look into it. 🤷‍♀
Starcrossed · 41-45, F
Honestly now that I'm in my 40s, I get more and more comfortable calling out rude behavior. They didn't need to threaten to trespass you, that was uncalled for and I probably would call the fire department just because of they way they treated you.

My guess though, those doors might automatically unlock if they fire alarm is triggered.
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Starcrossed Yes, someone else explained how doors like that work automatically when the fire alarm gets pulled.

But I did call the fire dept. Not because of the rudeness, but just because of the safety issue. If I were to call anyone about the rudeness, it would be Walmart management.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
I'd put your concerns in writing to management, copy in the Fire Department, and ask for an apology at the same time for the rudeness. Fire safety is everyone's responsibility. If anyone seems complacent or thinks compliance is an unreasonable burden, tell them about Grenfell.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SunshineGirl Oh wow. That's awful!
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
This is totally on your own local laws.

Problem with calling the fire department is they may not know CURRENT legal situation.

If available, code enforcement would be better. Yet they might say the laws have been changed. Hence why that door was locked.

I came across a similar situation here with the main entrances at a major grocery store. They remodeled the store and while they were remodeling they only had one entrance instead of two entrances.

Manager told me there are storage rear exits. Yet there are no signs saying so. "Authorized employees only" sign actually.

So I complained about that to code enforcement. It turned out the local code enforcement pushed the city council to change the laws.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DeWayfarer Well... In this case the fire dept said they'd send someone over. I know that it is the local fire dept here in Massachusetts that inspects every property before title transfers (for smoke detectors, etc).
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 code enforcement happens when there's more laws than just a few. Like earthquake, property weed abatement and of course all types of building requirements.

The fire department just couldn't handle all the laws. We need them far too badly to fight all the massive fires in California. In fact each city helps fight other fires. Some even out of state.
I would write a letter to Walmart corporate explain your experience (sbd name and shame the assistant manager) and ask what their policy is. And I would boycott that Walmart store or all of them until you get an apology.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@BiasForAction Boycotting would be easy since I haven't spent a dollar in a Walmart in years.
@sarabee1995 that’s how I feel about bowling
JoyfulSilence · 51-55, M
This reminds me of a time many years ago when I used a DC train station restroom, yet all the soap dispensers were gone. I had just sat on a bowl so needed a hand wash.

I was upset so went to the DC Department of Health website and filed a complaint. To my surprise, they sent out an inspector who reported back that there was soap. I agreed, since eventually there were new soap dispensers.

I never expected anybody would care, LOL!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@JoyfulSilence Wait ... You mean to say that government actually communicated and did their job??? 🤯
JoyfulSilence · 51-55, M
@sarabee1995

Yes. I was surprised.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
Call the local Fire Marshal and pass the information on to them. Then go back a week later and see what happened.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@JesseInTX Done. 🙂
Ontheroad · M
Call code enforcement and the fire department.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Ontheroad I just did. 🙂 I'm officially a trouble maker!
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@sarabee1995
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw, Maxims for Revolutionaries

Pardon the sexism, he was writing a long time ago.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ninalanyon
"Well-behaved women seldom make history”
I aspire to not be a well behaved woman.
Holy crap, I’d be shook! One of those situations totally out of context with what you’d ever expect to happen in your life. I’d call the local fire department and see what they’d advise.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@OlderSometimesWiser Made the call over an hour ago. They said they'd look into it.
@sarabee1995 Well done! 🙂
dale74 · M
You should call the local fire departments fire Marshal office go inside and take a picture of it you have your proof it's probably close to a $10,000 fine for Walmart per issue so if you found more than one door that are changed even though they have an exit sign on them it would be huge fines for them and you should definitely do that.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@dale74 I didn't take any pics and I don't really care that they get fined. I just want the store safe for everyone.
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
Call the fire department for sure
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@HobNoblin Yup. Wasn't sure at first, but I just did.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
Wouldn't even know how to call OSHA, but I did just call the fire department.
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
They are probably locked to keep shoplifters from escaping ...lol
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@FreeSpirit1 So I'm a shoplifter now??? 🙄
FreeSpirit1 · 51-55, F
@sarabee1995 No I was giving an opinion on why they locked the doors. not on you
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@FreeSpirit1 Oh I get it. I know you weren't accusing me.

But one thing that bugs me about brick and mortar stores is when you have to get security screened on your way out of the store. Like they treat everyone like a thief.

I get they have an issue with shoplifting, but that sounds like a them problem, not a me problem. Why should I submit to a search of my bags??
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Having gone so far I think I would feel obliged to at least tell someone higher up the Walmart corporate ladder, and possibly the fire department.

As you say it's no great loss to be banned from Walmart.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ninalanyon I went the fire department route. Called them about a half hour ago.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@sarabee1995 It's good to hear that there are still people around with a sense of responsibility!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ninalanyon I think if there was an emergency and someone got hurt because I didn't call... I'd never forgive myself.
Think of all the lives that would end if a fire happened. Call the Fire Dept. You fo not even have to give your name. I turned in one of the nursing homes I worked in on nights. Unsafe practices. They had to comply. I am not dying in a fire. Consider it your good deed for the day.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@PoetryNEmotion I called yesterday, Gave my name and full contact info. We'll see what happens.
Degbeme · 70-79, M
I am really tempted to call the local fire department and see if they do random inspections and if they'd send someone over.

sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Degbeme Lol done!
Degbeme · 70-79, M
@sarabee1995 Sweet! I do hope you did an evil laugh!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Degbeme Lol, maybe inside my head. 🤭
pdockal · 56-60, M
Send email to cooperate but don't hold your breath
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@pdockal Perhaps, but now that I've gone the FD route I'm going to give them the opportunity to do something.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@sarabee1995

Don't hold your breath
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@pdockal 🤷‍♀
I would put my black belt into practise.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheGreatLeveler I do quite often, but he would need to put hands on first. You are allowed to defend yourself, but not to be the aggressor.
Ambroseguy80 · 56-60, M
I would honestly call the fire Marshall and report the situation. Especially given the manager’s response to your concern.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
I dislike Walmart...call the fire marshal.
How many times have there been fires in retail places and people dies because the fire exit was locked or blocked ???
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Midlifemale I did.
UndeadSona · F
He'd probably get written up if he actually trespassed you ngl

I'd have taken a video and then called the fire department non-emergency line
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@UndeadSona No video, but I called them a little bit ago.
Lilymoon · F
Off subject Walmart is the last place I'd go for quality. 😄

And yeah that guy was totally off base to say that to you. You should report him.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Lilymoon Lol, yup. I should've known better than to look for a quality camera in Walmart!
ScreamingFox · 41-45, F
I'd be calling the fire department. You definitely didn't deserve to be threatened.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ScreamingFox Thanks. And I did. :)
Tell the fire department.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheSirfurryanimalWales Done. They said they'd check it out.
vetguy1991 · 51-55, M
Id probably call the fire dept
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@vetguy1991 Done!
carpediem · 61-69, M
Make the call.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@carpediem Yup, I've decided I'm going to. If there was a fire there next week and someone got hurt because I didn't ... 🤦‍♀
carpediem · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 Good choice. 🫵
dale74 · M
let us know what happens
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@dale74 Someone else suggested I check in a week so I will.
BeepBeep · F
Brush it off, your better than that, Walmart is a weird place.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@BeepBeep Eh, I did call the fire dept on Sunday. They said they'd look into it.
Elessar · 31-35, M
Lead a Navy SEALs operation and storm the place!

In my position best I could do is commanding a brigade of angry fishermen 🫠
Elessar · 31-35, M
@sarabee1995 *Scared of the implications of my own joke* 🥴
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Elessar *when you see a spec ops mini sub surface next to your fishing boat*

🤣
Elessar · 31-35, M
@sarabee1995 first though: "look how bad these guys of the navy have to cheat in order to beat us at catching squids"
mainvane · 61-69, M
I can understand your exasperation, especially for being treated disrespectfully and threatened by some Assistant Head Jerk in Walmart....but it really not a hill to die on.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@mainvane No, not a hill to die on ... But maybe a hill to give them some grief on.
mainvane · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 good point if you have the energy👍
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@mainvane Made the call to the fire dept. 🤷‍♀
ArtieKat · M
If I was in a narky mood I would report them! 🤗
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ArtieKat Done. I'm ALWAYS in narky mood. Never heard that word before but it sounds right.
ArtieKat · M
@sarabee1995 I read your replies to some of the others
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@RoguishEyes Actually tempted by this solution. 🤔
@sarabee1995 My kinda gal. 🤣
Depends how determined you are to piss off Walmart. Random thought that goes away in a minute, it's not worth your time.

You know someone crazy enough that might set fire to the place well people are inside shopping make the call to the fire Marshal
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Justafantasy I'm not worried about someone setting fire to the place. But this was right on front of where they are selling Christmas trees and they had some setup and lit. How much do we trust the average Walmart employee to safely setup power extension cords??
@sarabee1995 ... Pretty hard to mess up and most of those fake trees have LED lights so no heat to them. Personally I'd probably be just as annoyed as you then forget by tomorrow
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Justafantasy Well, enough people here suggested calling the fire dept, so I did.
calicuz · 56-60, M
If they really pissed me off, then yes, I would make a call to OSHA and the Fire Marshal and leave it to them.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@calicuz Wouldn't even know how to call OSHA, but I did just call the fire department.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@tindrummer Just did. I'm officially a trouble maker. 🤷‍♀
I’d go home and smoke a fatty and forget about it
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout I can't do that. 🤷‍♀
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SW-User Made the call! 👍
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@cherokeepatti I would not dispute your characterization of him.
SandWitch · 26-30, F
It's the fire department that sets those door exit rules, not Walmart.

If there was ever a fire however, keep in mind that if anyone pulls the fire alarm on the wall which then sounds the alarm and automatically sends that signal to the fire department, pulling that alarm switch also automatically releases ALL magnetic locks on ALL doors in the building and automatically opens ALL sliding doors which may have been manually closed contrary to posted signage.

If you go into an underground parking lot of a condo or a business and a power failure occurs and the lights go out, all doors that were otherwise locked to the general public have magnetic locks by law ..and will automatically unlock following a power failure.

If you are in an underground parking lot and you want to gain illegal entry to the building, all you have to do is pull the fire alarm on the wall which then simulates to the fire system a power failure, which then releases the entry door lock of the door you're trying to get in through but will also sound the fire alarm.

The problem is, pulling the fire alarm also deactivates the passenger and freight elevators while automatically opening the elevator doors, which means you cannot use the elevator. That is why all elevators have a key lock which says 'fire department' and by unlocking that switch, will then allow the elevator to be used by fire fighters only.

An elevator that's in transit when the fire alarm is pulled is automatically programmed to return to the ground floor and open the door, regardless of the direction it was going when the alarm was pulled.

I understand where you're coming from when you posted this one which was a great post, but keep in mind that in the event of a fire, those sliding doors will open automatically if the fire alarm is pulled.

However, what if there isn't a fire and an emergency evacuation is required, such as from a terrorist attack inside the building and now as you say, those sliding doors are closed when they aren't suppose to be closed?

The answer is this... if you're a victim of that terrorist attack and you have the opportunity to pull the fire alarm, PULL IT!

Doing so will now open those doors automatically, though no fire is present.

The fastest way to get the cops to arrive during an incident in a large building like that if communications in the clear is not possible using a cellphone 911 call, just run to the nearest fire switch on the wall and PULL IT.

That place will be covered with cops and fire trucks faster than you can exit the building yourself, because ALL emergency response stations are notified automatically if a fire alarm is ever pulled in a building, whereas a 911 call is dependent on the 911 dispatcher evaluating the authenticity of a call, then calling the appropriate agency (fire or police) and sometimes that call is delayed if they think it's a hoax.

Pull the fire alarm and answer for your actions later.

The same thing applies on the streets of New York for example, where there are fire department signaling posts located along a street. Breaking the glass and pulling the red handle behind the broken glass will get a plethora of cops and fire trucks arriving on that location FASTER than making a 911 call on your phone.. and doing so is not illegal in an emergency requiring First Responders.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SandWitch This is all amazing information. Thank you!!
SandWitch · 26-30, F
@sarabee1995
You're welcome! But you also did he right thing by making the call to the FD.

Not many people know about the alarm system that I mentioned to you, but now you do too. And that standard applies everywhere in the free world, which means always do a fast visual scan when you enter a building to visually locate wall mounted fire alarms so you're prepared for a smoke-only situation where no fire is evident but the visibility is very poor.

Wall mounted alarms are suppose to be co-located with illuminated exit signs, however you won't be able to see those ceiling-mounted exit signs if you're crawling around on the floor trying to stay below a layer of thick smoke with no fire evident, which means the fire alarm won't necessarily be activated unless the system senses that smoke.

Smoke sensors however, are always located on the ceiling, not on the floor where the smoke might be lingering because the smoke system was designed by a man, not a woman! Therefore, always make yourself aware of where the exits are located, which will also be where those wall-mounted fire alarm switches are co-located.
tenente · 36-40, M
the Walmart Assistant Manager (probably)
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@tenente Lol, not completely wrong.
candycane · 36-40, F
Take a picture of it and show the fire department. That's probably how that girl burned up in that oven
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@candycane Didn't take a picture, but I did call the fire dept. They said they'd look into it.

 
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