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The father of a German exchange student shot dead in Montana after he trespassed in a man's garage has said the US cannot continue to "play cowboy" with firearms.Markus Kaarma has been charged with deliberate murder in the Sunday killing of Diren Dede, 17, of Hamburg.But he says Montana's self-defence law allowed him to shoot the boy.Celal Dede said he would not have allowed his son to study in the US had he been aware of the lenient gun laws."I didn't think for one night that everyone here can kill somebody just because that person entered his back yard," Mr Dede told the German news agency dpa.Pressure authoritiesMr Dede returned to Germany from Montana on Thursday after securing the release of his son's body, a German consulate spokeswoman said.The son of a family of Turkish immigrants to Germany, Diren was attending Big Sky High School in Missoula, Montana, for one year as part of an exchange program.Diren, known in Hamburg for his football skills, had only six weeks
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
More info on this incident from the BBC news website;

Mr Kaarma, a 29-year-old firefighter, has told investigators his home had twice been hit by burglars, and he told a hair stylist he had waited up at night to shoot intruders, prosecutors said.

On the night of the shooting, Mr Kaarma and his partner Janelle Pflager left their garage door open, and Ms Pflager left her purse in the garage in order to bait intruders, she told police.

They set up motion sensors and a video monitor, prosecutors said.

When the sensors went off just after midnight and they saw a man on the monitor screen, Mr Kaarma went outside and fired a shotgun into the garage without warning several times.

It is unclear what the teenager was doing inside in the garage.

Mr Kaarma's lawyer said his client planned to plead not guilty.

The state allows residents to protect their homes with deadly force when they believe they are going to be harmed, said his lawyer, Paul Ryan.

"We know with no question the individual entered the garage," Mr Ryan said. "Kaarma didn't know who he was, his intent or whether he was armed."

He said that there had been a spate of break-ins in the neighbourhood and Mr Kaarma did not think the police were doing anything about them.
'Castle doctrine' defence

The suspect was released on $30,000 (£17,800) bond, and has remained in his home.

Montana's so-called "castle doctrine" law was amended in 2009 to allow deadly force if a homeowner "reasonably believes" an intruder is trying to harm him or her.

Before that, residents could only use such force if the intruder acted in a violent way. The legislation was backed by the US' largest gun lobby, the National Rifle Association (NRA).

State Representative Ellie Hill told the Missoulian newspaper she has proposed legislation to repeal the 2009 amendments to the law.

"What the castle doctrine has done in this country is it has created a culture of gun violence and vigilante justice," Ms Hill, a Democrat who represents Missoula, said.

"And it's created a culture that it's okay to shoot first and ask questions later."

Diren will be buried in Turkey, his family said. His football team in Hamburg, SC Teutonia 1910, played a charity match on Wednesday to help the family pay for the funeral.

Diren's friends and family in Germany expressed sorrow following his death.

"We had spoken on the phone just one day before," a friend told local media. "He had the best year of his life in America."

Another friend attended the charity football match organised for Diren's funeral.

"What happened is a sad story, and with this we want to show that we're all with him and won't forget him," the friend said.
Team-mates, friends and relatives gather to remember Diren Dede at his football club, SC Teutonia 1910, Hamburg, Germany 30 April 2014 Diren Dede played on the SC Teutonia 1910 football club in Hamburg
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Summ3rRain
Yes me and my boyfriend were talking about it once he read the news. Of course it is a murder. And really US should stop playing that "play cowboy" game nowadays. Its just stupid to seriously stupid to have it that everyone can have guns/firearms. Whether it is by accident or not people really should stop with the guns.
louisthepearl
It's actually a rather wonderful country but not to everyone's taste.
BOJ1988
This has never been the land of the free. Conservatives want the right to bare arms but want to take away basic rights to control your own body or have access to marry.
BOJ1988
Gun related deaths count for more than half. More people die due to gun shot wounds than knife wounds, car accidents and beatings put together. To compare them simply means you are uninformed or ran out of reasons.
JeffSnow
Was there any indication of why the kid entered the property? I can't see shooting anyone unless they were running at my with a knife or some other life threatening situation. Although I don't have a gun, so I guess I wouldn't have run into that problem
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
He claims he never saw the kid and he fired 3 shots into his garage without asking who was there. He didn't issue a warning.
Summ3rRain
He wasn't being attacked by the kid. He just shot...... Like its just normal to shoot at whatever is in front of you...
JeffSnow
I never said you did need a gun with you. I like living in Canada, where it really is not a topic or issue I have to concern myself with. I do think the self defense argument is somewhat valid. If I did have a gun, I would have stopped a bad situation that night. Although then I would have had to live with what I had done. I would not change how it happened, and I am very happy I didn't have a gun then, and I don't have one now. I am not a supporter of guns. People being trigger happy is a serious problem. But it is not foolish to think that it might get them out of a bad situation in protecting their life. Is it the right decision? No, I don't think so. But the argument shouldn't be dismissed so quickly.
Nov5
Well technically it was murder but i was self defense he was trespassing and breaking multiple laws on someone else's property. Plus it was in his garage not just a big plot of land IN A GARAGE. He knew that wasn't his property and more than likely up to no good
Nov5
So you would rather live in a world were we cant defend our selves from People who don't want to work and would rather cause $100's or maybe even $1000's of dollars in damage and stolen goods? And possibly harm your family (which remind you they had a 10 month old baby) then being able to get to them first with your means of self defense? Well its your life no one can tell you how to live it as no one can tell me mine its now in the opinion of the courts nothing out little voices will do not much sense in arguing like a bunch of little 3 year olds on EP Great life all
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
So you can murder people in cold blood?
Summ3rRain
He's saying he can do it. So I guess people living there are just ready to kill anyone....
louisthepearl
That's extremely sad. When did this happen?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Which is why it needs to be treated seriously by the Police and Courts.
louisthepearl
Let's wait for the trail.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
Of course. I am happy to do that.
jamesmethod
There is more to this story. You are only telling your side,what is the other side?
jamesmethod
When someone is breaking into your House in the middle of the Night, you don't have time to ask them if they plan on Killing you,or just robbing you,or rapping your Wife and daughters,while you watch. :(
Summ3rRain
But you should really think carefully before taking action. Would you really be happy to just know that you've killed someone?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
If you set up a trap and sit there with a loaded gun it's different to what you just outlined, isn't it?
FMML
no, it is not.
FMML
NOWHERE in any article (besides maybe MSNBC) said he set up a trap it is your false opinion.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
He admits that he placed his wife's handbag in his garage and left the garage door wide open with the internal light on. He explained he had set a trap to catch a burglar. Why would I lie about that?
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I posted the rest of the story from the BBC news website. It contains quotes from the garage owner's lawyer.
BOJ1988
Murder. He killed someone who hadn't threatened him in any way. He could have said get off my property but chose to shoot instead. This is another reason I feel gun laws are so weak.
mrmoose1947
and? we care what a german thinks? why?
mrmoose1947
go fuck yourself idiot
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
So you are happy that an innocent 17 year old died?
Summ3rRain
But having gun laws so ridiculous as it is in the US won't lessen the crimes committed with guns.
Laura36
OK...So the gunman was charged with Murder....Let the courts decide....!!!
louisthepearl
What I gather from reading the answers are that most people want to wait for the trial.
Mikemcneil · 61-69, M
I will be interested to see how it goes myself.
Laura36
As I said.... Let the courts decide...

 
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