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I just don't understand the exaggerated worship of science by many today and why they've held it up as a force that would somehow solve everything.

Science is merely a tool for understanding a small part of the mechanics of this very temporary and transient world which is not our home. A world that is going to be destroyed someday. An illustration to put this into persepctive: say that science is the workings of the ocean and the life in the sea, but there is a whole other world and dimension of air above the surface that science says does not exist. When the fish comes up to the surface, which ultimately is bringing him closer to death so he's on his deathbed, he becomes aware of this whole other world that a lot of the fish don't know exist. Especially the ones that are like 10 miles deep in the dark abyss of the sea and that's all they know. And maybe once in a while the fish theorize about there being something more above, closer to the light, but the scientist fishes say, "you're crazy! It's just this. As far as the eye can see. The horizon of the seabed."

It is quite natural for human minds to discredit the supernatural. The miraculous is not necessarily unscientific, it is not the setting aside or overriding of laws. A miracle is simply God doing something according to certain laws of which we know nothing. To illustrate: If I had said, twenty years ago, I talked with a man the other day one hundred miles away, just as though he were ten feet distant from me, it would have been called a miracle, and why? Simply because there was then no law of acoustics known, by which the human voice could be transmitted one hundred miles; but, within time, such a law has been discovered, and our voices may be heard by our friends one hundred, or one thousand miles away, and it is not called a miracle. i doubt not there are ten thousand laws operating in the universe of which man knows nothing, to every one which he may truthfully say: I know the method by which it operates.

How can any sane person let such a limited and ephemeral tool destroy their faith in an eternal God and a much more real world that lasts forever? What a foolish trap many have fallen into. 1 Corinthians 3:19 does say, "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
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DocSavage · M
@gol979
Again. Science is a process. It has no morality. It is what is there. It’s humans that are to blame for it’s misuse. As mentioned before in other post. The same science that built the atom bomb, also powers the reactors that light up millions of homes and streets .
gol979 · 41-45, M
@DocSavage can "science" exist without humans then? Thats what you are essentially saying
DocSavage · M
@gol979
It already does.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@DocSavage how does it exist without human context?
DocSavage · M
@gol979
Make up your mind.
Evolution has existed since the beginning of life. It’s always been here. All Darwin did is observe the process, and figure out the mechanism. Others misinterpreted it, or distorted it for their own agenda, like the Nazis, which eventually lead to the Nuremberg code you mentioned. Evolution is neither good or evil. Darwin’s explanation of evolution is in no way unethical. The misuse of it, as well as the continued willful ignorance regarding it, is where the morality becomes the issue. Separate the science from the human factor, and the science itself is clean. And since there are practical and beneficial uses for science, I see no reason to condemn it or compare it with religion. It is the application of information already there.
You’re the ones who keeps arguing against context. Remember ? You can’t have it both ways.
@gol979 To be a good scientist, the most important root subject to learn is math. There are specialized schools of math and science that parents pay to send their children. With a high probability of getting scholarships and well paying jobs. Are all these people making the wrong investment?

Everyone here reaps the benefits of the methodology of science. Instead of having distrust and denial, why don’t you promote just one alternative that has equal results? Are there any? What would the educational prerequisites?

I don’t know anyone that would trust anything known to be less effective.
gol979 · 41-45, M
@DocSavage eh? How can you separate science from the human factor when it is a solely human enterprise