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so many drank the kool-aid the government has served when about covid vaccines

i see this everywhere now where these people on their little imaginary high horse, thinking they are better than everyone who hasnt had the vaccine nor want it yet to me these people just come off as blind sheep who believe anything the government and mainstream media tell them.
Big tech companies all silence those who speak out differently and essentially free speech is slowly becoming a thing of the past.

There has been a lot of info that the vaccine is not a cure nor does it even prevent covid or spreading it. healthy people have died shorty after taking the vaccine. For example a healthy 13 year old recently died after his second injection..

People should wake up and stop being manipulated by fear and most of all stop thinking you are better than others because you are the government and big pharma's lab rats.

stop believing the death toll numbers the media lie to you about. They are manipulating you through fear and lies
Pretzel · 61-69, M
I get the flu shot every year
I'll continue to get it
I got both doses of covid and will take a booster if and when it is declared necessary.

you're correct - it won't keep you from getting infected -but it appears to lessen the effects. Most of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.

just heard recently that the new variant is more infectious -but less deadly. I still don't want to get it.

Hell, I may wear the mask during flu seasons to come just to try to starve the little buggers to death ealier.

And there may be a cause/effect between the shot and dying. But given the number of deaths vs the number of injections they are statistically WAY lower than the correlation between people that get infected with covid 19 and die from it.

It apears that the after effects of being infected can be serious as well.

All in all - give me the needle.

I know we won't agree on it - doesn't really matter.

I'm not better or worse than you for taking the shots - just vaccinated.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pretzel You are not vaxed. You are injected. A huge difference. Your choice in taking the jab. Not your choice on words to describe the jab. Vaccines have a very narrow definition as set out by the CDC. These jabs do not meet that definition. Nothing personal. Your choice to take it or refuse it.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 interesting - so what is the definition that the CDC put out and why doesn't the contents of the injection I had fit it?

not arguing - just curious about the comment
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pretzel The definition is on the web and I did post it earlier to someone else's comment. I don't have time to look it up this morning but basically it is and injection or other method of delivery of a substance that causes the body to develop immunity to the disease. For example the small pox vaccine has eliminated the smallpox disease among those who are vaccinated. If such an injection does not confer almost 100% immunity then it is no longer a vaccine. The injection you have had doesn't confer any immunity on you at all. The number of hospitalizations among the vaxed is identical to the unvaxed by population. IOW if 60% of the people are vaxed the percentage of vaxed people in the hospital with the disease is 60%. This has been observed in Israel Britain and Iceland. Of course no 'official' numbers say that so you can't do a quick google search to find it but you can develop a spread sheet using official numbers to get to those numbers.
Who are we to tell someone what they should do with their body? Everyone has a right to decide if they want to get the injection or not. Trying to force someone to not get the shot by calling those who want it a sheep, is no different than trying to force someone [b]to[/b] get the shot.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Not one original thought among the anti-vaccers.
It’s all repeat of what somebody else has already said.

No original stories for being anti-vaccination.
No logic to their decision making.
They can’t even say “My Uncle had a vaccine and…..” as a basis for their decision making.

And they then want to call folk taking official advice ‘sheep’.

Stupidity is everywhere. And in numbers it seems.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@Torsten [quote]…that’s beside the point…[/quote]
Says everything you need to know.

I understand you have a view but your view goes against the reality of what’s happening.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@Picklebobble2 no it really doesn't.
Your reality is what you are told it is. You dont see it for yourself like rational people do and think for yourself..

best of luck to you while blindly following strangers orders
@Picklebobble2 I blame the orange shitgibbon for politicizing it.
Graylight · 51-55, F
The only people weaponizing and politicizing this virus and its vaccines are conservatives. Seriously, it's like the rest of the world's watching you in a barrel and just chuckling to itself.

Vaccines work. We've known that for 100 years. Vaccines and inoculations have been mandated in the US since Washington's time, so stop with the "freedum & liberty" dirge.

[i]No [/i]vaccine is a cure. [i]No [/i]vaccine is without side effects and [i]no [/i]vaccine is 100% effective. This vaccine has been proven to reduce the severity, symptoms and experience of [i]Covid[/i], so to say otherwise is a stupid argument.

When 500 people a day (rather than a 5k+ total) die as a direct result of these vaccines, you can argue that it's just as dangerous as the virus. Until then, you're looking at immutable numbers and calling them false. Not a good look.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@Graylight agreed
Its not about freedom of speech. It's being ridiculed for being a stupid POS. You pro disease fucks are going to suffer.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@canusernamebemyusername yeah because the vaccine will make sure you wont get infected.. oh wait, that is not true at all

but the vaccine means you wont spread the virus.. nope, that is not true either

Covid has a 98% chance of survival and you all act like this is the second black plague. Stop being ing the false death rate numbers the media tell you and start questioning the government on what they try telling you..

no one is pro disease, moron
@Torsten 98% of the people hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
Ingwe · F
I hate it when the vaccinated call the unvaccinated, selfish,
the vaccinated spread covid too, now more than ever

the vaccinated catch the virus and spread the virus..so you are not really better off...you yourself , may just not get as sick

without the vaccinations -we had a survival rate of around 94%


if you have underlying conditions, the vaccine may just be the last straw that'll send you to the grave

when will they say ....now remove your masks?

not for the longest time


for the vaccinated
still can catch and spread
to vaccinated and unvaccinated

I am not eager to get the jab
Budwick · 70-79, M
The vaccines have not been FDA approved. Approval takes time, to ensure efficacy and longer terms results

The FDA has been granted time that they don't want citizens to have in getting the vaccine.

That, on top of ever changing recommendations from Medicrats have made many people suspicious.

The virus and government are killing people. Demand change!

The concept is supposed to be government BY the people. Expert advice is one thing - but there's obviously no experts.
@Budwick When your 'stable genius' and expert on vaccines, initiated 'WARP SPEED' was it government BY the people ? "I'm not a Doctor but I do have common sense." ?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
The numbers are so skewed as to be a complete joke. If I did that kind of work when I was doing research I would have been fired on the spot. I can't believe the nonsense. They used a highly unreliable test that was not even closely calibrated to find the covid virus and instead calibrated the test to find any cold or flu virus present. If you notice the seasonal flu completely disappeared this past flu season. Ever wonder why?
Dv8rs · 18-21, F
@hippyjoe1955 You are absolutely correct, people die every year from the flu and now the flu deaths are being counted as Covid stats. Scare tactics to cover up or distract from what's really going on... Or perhaps their just testing the sheeple to see how many hoops they are willing to jump through. Divide and conquer.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@hippyjoe1955 When covid came along, a lot of things disappeared -

Type 2 diabetes, harmful effects of vaping, mesothelioma, lung cancer, autism, COPD, of course the flu...

All the "en vogue" ailments of just a couple years ago are now not even talked about.
Northwest · M
[quote]so many drank the kool-aid the government has served when about covid vaccines
[/quote]

Or did their own research and consulted medical professionals. But, you stick your narrative if you prefer not to seek medical opinion. Unless, that is, you're a medical professional yourself with some expertise in infectious disease. So, what's your speciality?

[quote]i see this everywhere now where these people on their little imaginary high horse, thinking they are better than everyone who hasnt had the vaccine nor want it[/quote]

Really? I don't see that anywhere. What I see is people anxious over variants and concerned that if people don't get vaccinated, we're going to lose the battle against Covid and sink into an economic depression.

[quote]yet to me these people just come off as blind sheep who believe anything the government and mainstream media tell them.[/quote]

Nice spin, but factually incorrect.

[quote]Big tech companies all silence those who speak out differently and essentially free speech is slowly becoming a thing of the past.
[/quote]

You've got to understand what free speech means, first.

[quote]There has been a lot of info that the vaccine is not a cure nor does it even prevent covid or spreading it. healthy people have died shorty after taking the vaccine. For example a healthy 13 year old recently died after his second injection..[/quote]

Yes, you're right. The vaccine is NOT a cure. I'm sorry it took you so long to realize that.

Vaccines do NOT cure, they prevent serious illness.

I'm also glad you finally figures out that a vaccine is not an invisible shield. But, it looks like you still don't understand how vaccines work. You should educate yourself, before copying opinions from conspiracy theory sites, like the useful idiot that you are.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
You are free to hold your own beliefs. But you should note that the virus doesnt give a $h*t what you believe. And those who choose to get vaccinated are already deciding they dont want you working in their businesses, or flying on their planes, or going to their concerts. So I guess you will have a pretty quiet life. 😷
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Won't it be a sad day when all the triple vaxed gang up on all the double vaxed and all the quadruple vaxed gang up on the triple vax and the quintuple vaxed gang up on all the quadruple vaxed? Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
tindrummer · M
think I'll stick with science and medicine rather than right-wing conspiracies
Torsten · 36-40, M
i believe CNN has now just referred to unvaccinated people as actual terrorists .. the level of stupidity with these people in truly insane. Now the morons who eat up whatever CNN tell them will spread the stupidity.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@CorvusBlackthorne 🤣 you block me only to sign into your other account to still try and talk to me.. Pathetic on a whole other level
@Torsten Au contraire. The website forces the issue when one is obliged to report another user for hate speech. However, in this case, it is a pleasure.
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Better than being manipulated by some crank on YouTube.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
Sweden never had a mask mandate. How are they doing?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@DCarey I know HCQ is not an effective remedy against covid-19. Why would you ever think it is? It has therapeutic efficacy against malaria, and is often used as an immuno-suppressant in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589537021000535

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33475900/

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-drugs/faq-20485627

in which I draw your attention to:
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. These malaria drugs were authorized for emergency use by the FDA during the COVID-19 pandemic. However, the FDA withdrew that authorization when data analysis showed that the drugs are not effective for treating COVID-19. They can also cause serious heart problems.
DCarey · 46-50, M
@newjaninev2 If you think HCQ is not effective against COVID, you need to delete your account. The sources you used are COVID fearmongers who haven't been following the real science. So delete your account and go your merry way.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@DCarey So where is the real science then? Can you give us some links? Or are you just trolling?
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Dv8rs · 18-21, F
Preach the word, Amen.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
This video has a lot of information about what has happened. It’s on Rumble website
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Dv8rs If you have the time listen to what Dr. David E. Martin says about all this, from the medical to the legal points. A lot of things that they are doing goes against the law.
Dv8rs · 18-21, F
@cherokeepatti I did indeed, and appriciate the 411.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@Dv8rs If you have time check out Dr. Zelenko’s talk on Bit Chute, he has a lot to say too.
InHeaven · F
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MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@InHeaven Thank you!
Azlotto · M
@InHeaven Indeed...Thank you!
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
[quote]healthy people have died shorty after taking the vaccine.[/quote]
Even more previously healthy people have died after getting COVID.
Dramatically more.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@ninalanyon says who? where is the actual evidence? Mainstream media make up death toll numbers to scare people and getting higher ratings.
Nobody ever seems to die from anything anymore except from a virus with over a 98% chance of survival.. Kinda funny how that works huh, like it seems completely fabricated
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Torsten So evidence for deaths due to COVID are fabricated but deaths due to vaccines are not?

It must be very stressful living in a country like yours where it appears that one cannot trust anyone.

I can't say I know that much about the US government but I have no reason to distrust my own government, civil servants, medical researchers, and doctors and they all say that people have died because of COVID and that the vaccines help reduce death, suffering, and transmission.
@Torsten Only 0.5% of people who caught polio were paralyzed, so I guess for you that was no big deal either.
Miklee02 · 51-55, F
CestManan · 46-50, F
We need to be thankful for the vaccine. If it did not exist, SW wouldn't have anything to fight about non-stop.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@CestManan Of course there would. Masks, Social distance, ventilators. All sorts of Dumb@$$ery that turned a health care subject into politics. 😷 America has 5% of the worlds population, is about the richest nation on earth and has 20% of the worlds covid deaths.. Thats how stupid the whole subject is.
"Trump estimates 100 million dead without his vaccine efforts. *" Washington Examiner Aug.7,2021

*Warp Speed
PhaqueYou · M
To think you probably got the shot.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@PhaqueYou i have not nor will i ever. I also will never force that shit into my child and have to worry about finding him dead in a day or two.

You believe what you like and put whatever in your body, thats cool and good for you. My issue is those who think they are better than others for injecting that crap in them
Azlotto · M
Not me, man.
Bang5luts · M
Truth! What would I gain by saying this same thing? Someone pays me to spread misinformation about not getting the vaccine? No. I might get the satisfaction of making sure the government, big pharmaceutical companies ķnow that their propaganda isn't going to work around here
Human1000 · M
How is this shit allowed?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire yes I am still on that because you are flooding my notifications with that garbage. You are clearly obsessed and want my attention on it so bad, so here it is
@Torsten I can't help it if you're sitting there talking shit in the politics section. What, am I supposed to log off this fucking website because you fucking hate the fact that I tell you the fucking truth?
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire how bout dont like what i say, ignore it.
Your truth aint the truth. lets just clear that up right now. You are heavily biased and that blinds you
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
It’s turning into a pandemic of the unvaccinated so do what you want. Good luck with your decision.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@iamonfire696 The unvaccinated don't only risk themselves they also provide a mutating population of viruses. Eventually a mutation might arise that can evade the vaccine. It's same principle behind the advice to always take a full course of antibiotics, don't stop just because you feel a bit better because that just selects and preserves the fittest bugs.
iamonfire696 · 41-45, F
@ninalanyon exactly but there are no reasoning with these people. They just have to learn the hard way.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@iamonfire696 True, but I would much rather their education didn't pose a risk to the rest of us!
What a shocker. You're on the wrong side of this one as well.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire haha of course you would kiss the ass of the government. If you of all people think i am on the wrong side of something, that is confirmation i am doing the right thing.

I honestly think you're a bit obsessed with me. you cant seem to stay away and follow me everywhere
@Torsten I can't help it if you literally take the wrong side of every issue in the politics section. If you legitimately think the whole covid thing was invented just to make people more obedient, then you're crazier than I thought.
Torsten · 36-40, M
@LordShadowfire says the guy who talks to himself on here. haha sure mate keep talking to me about sanity, you're certainly someone credible to try and make that call

 
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