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sunnudenow · 70-79, M
The hell you say!!

Mathers · 61-69
As CS Lewis says one of the things that delights the devil is when people don’t believe in him. He is equally delighted in a materialist and a magician. See ‘The Screwtape Letters’
Mathers · 61-69
All of us are flawed human beings. @LordShadowfire
Mathers · 61-69
So because they get it wrong small minded people like you think everyone is wrong. Why not say that some fundamentalist atheists are also opposed to the Narnia books? @LeopoldBloom
Mathers · 61-69
So what? @LordShadowfire
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
You've obviously not met my husbands mother!
Abstraction · 61-69, M
* I disbelieve in the caricatures and general folk-knowledge understandings, which is mostly what I see.
* I don't think the bible teaches the devil is the cause of all or even most natural disasters.
* It teaches that people are 100% responsible for their own actions. And most evil we experience is from human beings and, especially that, [u]'time and chance happen to them all[/u].'
* It demonstrates that evil is in fact, selfishness, not pure malevolence, even in the fallen angels. The more self-absorbed and selfish, the more dehumanised we become and the more potential to do evil to others. Understanding that I've sat with people who have committed horrendous crimes and seen their humanity underneath struggling with what they've done.
* It teaches that the devil and demons are not the cause of all evil that happens, but they are one example of moral evil.
* I don't have any difficulty in believing the [i]possibility [/i]of existence of non-physical moral beings that are probably five levels above our comprehension or that they may even have capability to influence at times. I also consider the possibility of life on other planets that is completely different to carbon-based life as we know it is not irrational.
Nothing inherently irrational there. Whether you [i]believe in it[/i] is another question entirely that builds on unproven presuppositions - which we all have, often unconsciously - that are the basis of our world view.
"SATAN, n. One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back.

"There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he.

"Name it."

"Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws."

"What, wretch! You his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul—you ask for the right to make his laws?"

"Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself."

It was so ordered.”

― Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
@BlueSkyKing I've never read that. Fascinating. So Ambrose Bierce did not believe God was infallible.
@LordShadowfire [i]The Devil’s Dictionary[/i] is a book of humor, easy to find on e-book formats. Lots of entries that still bite two hundred years later.

“Redemption, n. Deliverance of sinners from the penalty of their sin through their murder of the deity against whom they sinned. The doctrine of Redemption is the fundamental mystery of our holy religions, and whoso believeth in it shall not perish, but have everlasting life in which to try to understand it.”
― Ambrose Bierce
BibleData · M
[quote]. It might be a convenient way to explain bad things but it sounds more like a fairy tale to me.[/quote]

That is probably because you don't know it very well other than vaguely as a fairy tale.
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BibleData · M
@Axeroberts They're not assumptions. It's in your words. You take the God concept of the Bible which is popular and mysterious and you form your own individual God. You decide - does the devil exist? How does God think. You have no reference other than your own invention. It doesn't come from the Bible or anywhere else. It's yours. Lots of people do this. It isn't uncommon.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@BibleData unless God has touched your heart you can never understand
Big Banging and evolution are more of a fairy tale than the reality of the existence of the devil.
Ynotisay · M
You got the fairy tale part right but there's no physical reasons for natural disasters? Not following. Do you mean like the devil isn't behind it or there's no scientifically proven reasons for natural disasters? Because there are reasons.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Ynotisay you might have misread. I said we know the reasons for natural disasters
Ynotisay · M
@Axeroberts Guess I did. My bad.
Of course. But it's interesting to see how the Devil is represented as a lively figure. It's dancing, it's smiling, while goodness is always miserable.
sunnudenow · 70-79, M
Is that a guy that lives in Hell, Michigan?
@sunnudenow I now want to move there and change my first name to Satan, just for the hell of it.
sunnudenow · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Maybe I could claim Belzebub.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
I don’t believe in the devil but I believe in demons
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@QueenOfZaun interesting 🤔

 
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