I think I'm done dating Irish/English girls.

Now when I say Irish English, I am referring to women who are over 33% Irish and/or English. My reasoning here from data from dating complied is:

1. I am of a more "romantic" and "warm" European ancestry. Think French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek. Irish/English girls are not "warm and fuzzy", or romantic from my experience. Very stoic, and more standoffish especially when it comes to physical touch. Also the personality is far less flirty than that of the more "romantic" Euro ethnicities. This is a direct conflict with how I approach dating, which is romantic and breaking the touch barrier early. I cannot figure Irish/English women out and how to progress anything with them because it seems the expectations are different. This makes any date with an Irish/English girl feel platonic... and it goes NOWHERE.

2. With Italian/Greek/French/German/Portuguese/Arabic girls, my success rate is 80% for a second date and 70% for a relationship. With a girl who is over 33% English/Irish, my success rate for a second date is 5% and my success rate for a relationship is 1%.

3. They seem to have much more of an "independence" mindset. This goes from being kicked out at 18 and paving their path from there, into not "needing" a romantic partner. This conflicts with many other (including my), Euro ancestry, which typically stay with their parents longer, and are less afraid of being in a committed arrangement with a partner.

I just don't understand what Irish/English girls expect on a first date. Or why my failure rate is so high with them. Sometimes I think they have a stick up their arse. The worst part is, I am most attracted to Irish/English features (light features). But the personalities are just so... cold. Any input greatly appreciated.

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bugeye · 26-30, F Best Comment

girls from the uk tend to like Humour and wit especially in Ireland and Scotland. if you can't keep up with the banter then you're not gonna do well. you can be charming without being too forward, you just need to be able to hold an interesting conversation. trying to be overly romantic and flirty will just make you seem like you're only interested for the physical side of dating and trying to "Break the touch barrier early" only reinforces that opinion.

ShadowWolf · 31-35, M

@bugeye Finally! This is def the best answer. Thank you. A girl with sense! Ok so you've hit the nail on the head I think. So what constitutes as an interesting conversation? Going to copy something from a previous post somewhere else in the thread here:

[b]"Ok, so I went on a date with a mostly Irish girl last weekend. Treated her to breakfast. We talked about everything from medical procedures to quantum physics. Is that not intellectual stimulation?

I should also mention I also went on a date with an American English girl on Friday evening. Again talked about everything under the sun, including intellectual things. Got the dreaded text "we aren't the best fit" later than night. So having good intellectual conversation is NOT enough."[/b]

I did not use any form of physical touch on these two dates. Was simply banter. Yet failed. Typically with girls of other ethnicities, a kiss, or modest physical touch is what seals the deal for a second date. This does not work with British women. So I'm stuck at banter that I described above, which also clearly does not work. With your insight, what am I missing here?

bugeye · 26-30, F

@ShadowWolf i think you misunderstood what they meant by intellectually stimulating. it doesn't mean bore them with quantum physics. worst case scenario it could be seen as trying to make them look dumb. talk hobbies / interests but intellectually about them. offer your own insights. for example if she enjoys reading mention a genre/author you like (if any) and ask her what her fave genre/author is. people like talking about things they are passionate about and coaxing them into talking about something they enjoy but make sure it's still a two-way conversation.

and like i said quick wit and humour go a long way too. if you can find humour in your conversation topic that is on the spot and makes you both laugh that is a clear sign of intelligence much better than blandly quoting physicists.

ShadowWolf · 31-35, M

@bugeye Ok, so what you say makes sense to me. I can see what you mean. See, I've always been "romantic and flirty". And forward. Which works with a good amount of Latin based European ethnicies (the ones I listed), but fails with British women. And your points, I think prove why. Thank you.

bugeye · 26-30, F

@ShadowWolf trust me be more casual, light-hearted and witty, and you might see more success.

ShadowWolf · 31-35, M

@bugeye I will give that a go. Or at least try to. Thank you!