Clean energy powered 40% of global electricity in 2024, report finds
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/08/clean-energy-powered-40-of-global-electricity-in-2024-report-finds
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/08/clean-energy-powered-40-of-global-electricity-in-2024-report-finds
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I extremely doubt that...
Maybe in a select counties that are pushing it, but a lot of the world hasn't...
Also, even if the numbers they shared publicly, that's only 29%... where is the other 11%?
Though I believe China has done some extremely massive water energy items... there are others that have done very little.
Maybe in a select counties that are pushing it, but a lot of the world hasn't...
Also, even if the numbers they shared publicly, that's only 29%... where is the other 11%?
Though I believe China has done some extremely massive water energy items... there are others that have done very little.
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut
From the article:
So they are saying
Clean power:
Solar 7%-
Wind 8%+ or about 15% together
Hydroelectric 14%, or 29% thus far
hence, 11% in nuclear + bioenergy (combined).
This is encouraging, due to the completeness of the study:
Also, even if the numbers they shared publicly, that's only 29%... where is the other 11%?
From the article:
The continuing growth of solar means clean power – including nuclear and bioenergy –
(Emphasis added.)So they are saying
Clean power:
Solar 7%-
Wind 8%+ or about 15% together
Hydroelectric 14%, or 29% thus far
hence, 11% in nuclear + bioenergy (combined).
This is encouraging, due to the completeness of the study:
The report, which accounted for 93% of the global electricity market across 88 countries, found that the surge in demand pushed emissions from the global power sector up by 1.6% to an all-time high last year.
@SomeMichGuy Exactly, they purposely left information out... they never claimed nuclear + bioenergy was 11%, you have to imply it, it's not said.
And is Nuclear really clean energy if you count the nuclear waste?
And 93% is not 100%... and the world is made up of more than 88 countries... So I stand by my doubt that Clean energy powered 40% of global electricity in 2024.
But I just don't believe the numbers... maybe this is their goals, or their hopes, or lies they're telling people, but I can't believe it...
Who knows, maybe I'm just dead wrong... China and USA are claiming they're both over 40% in clean energy. But in reality, are they?
And is Nuclear really clean energy if you count the nuclear waste?
And 93% is not 100%... and the world is made up of more than 88 countries... So I stand by my doubt that Clean energy powered 40% of global electricity in 2024.
But I just don't believe the numbers... maybe this is their goals, or their hopes, or lies they're telling people, but I can't believe it...
Who knows, maybe I'm just dead wrong... China and USA are claiming they're both over 40% in clean energy. But in reality, are they?
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut That's an article about the report.
And yes, one has to think, and the 11% makes sense in context.
I agree; I think that this is looking at it from an emissions point of view (no CO_2, etc.).
So it is "clean" but neither renewable nor green.
The other forms are.
And yes, one has to think, and the 11% makes sense in context.
And is Nuclear really clean energy if you count the nuclear waste?
I agree; I think that this is looking at it from an emissions point of view (no CO_2, etc.).
So it is "clean" but neither renewable nor green.
The other forms are.
@SomeMichGuy I know, but I'm just saying I question and doubt the numbers are actually correct (and who knows, I could be wrong).
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut
That's true, but even if energy consumption were uniformly spread by nation, if the other 7% have ZERO "clean energy" sources, it would move the result slightly:
new average =
[(0.93 * 0.40) + (0.07 * 0)]/1.00
= 0.372
37.2% isn't much different from 40%...
And 93% is not 100%... and the world is made up of more than 88 countries... So I stand by my doubt that Clean energy powered 40% of global electricity in 2024.
That's true, but even if energy consumption were uniformly spread by nation, if the other 7% have ZERO "clean energy" sources, it would move the result slightly:
new average =
[(0.93 * 0.40) + (0.07 * 0)]/1.00
= 0.372
37.2% isn't much different from 40%...
@SomeMichGuy Yeah, but what I think is happening, is people have stretched that multiple times in the reporting process... and basically rounded up multiple times, always trying to make it look better than it actually is... to the point the number is incorrect
SomeMichGuy · M
@SomeMichGuy Actually quite the opposite... but thank you for personally insulting me just because you disagree.
But my specialty is math and databases and I've personally seen information like this (not energy) get misrepresented all the time, as there are known or unknown flaws in the system that are either not reported up, or ignored when they go up.
But my specialty is math and databases and I've personally seen information like this (not energy) get misrepresented all the time, as there are known or unknown flaws in the system that are either not reported up, or ignored when they go up.
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut Then you of all people should realize that
• data presented to the single digit hasn't been rounded to the point that the 40% is the result of multiple roundings;
• the data is about how energy is produced, and that is not uniformly distributed.
Why kvetch here rather than simply look at the Ember site? lol
• data presented to the single digit hasn't been rounded to the point that the 40% is the result of multiple roundings;
• the data is about how energy is produced, and that is not uniformly distributed.
Why kvetch here rather than simply look at the Ember site? lol
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut
The report analyses electricity data from 215 countries, including the latest 2024 data for 88 countries representing 93% of global electricity demand, as well as estimates for 2024 for all other countries. The analysis also includes data for 13 geographic and economic groupings, including Africa, Asia, the EU and the G7. It also dives deeper into the seven countries and regions with the highest electricity demand, which account for 72% of global electricity demand. In addition to electricity generation data, the report uses weather and capacity data to uncover the underlying trends shaping the global power sector.
(Emphasis added.)
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SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut
Lol
I know a bit about data.
But if you are such an expert, why not look at it and give a fact-based assessment, rather than just raising concerns about what might?
Misrepresentations in the press are one thing, but this entity has been watching the energy landscape for a while.
Lol
I know a bit about data.
But if you are such an expert, why not look at it and give a fact-based assessment, rather than just raising concerns about what might?
Misrepresentations in the press are one thing, but this entity has been watching the energy landscape for a while.
@SomeMichGuy Because I don't have the facts, and I'm questioning if what given to us is factual.
That was the entire premise...
Apparently you aren't paying attention, so let's drop this, thanks and good bye
That was the entire premise...
Apparently you aren't paying attention, so let's drop this, thanks and good bye
SomeMichGuy · M
@sstronaut
This is an article about the actual report. The report itself is much more detailed.
Odd that you'll snipe but not try to actually check out the actual report.
This is an article about the actual report. The report itself is much more detailed.
Odd that you'll snipe but not try to actually check out the actual report.
@SomeMichGuy Buh bye