I live in a democrat state.

@Elessar Eat a piece of shit scumbag.

👆 @carpediem Oh look, here's one of those retards.

@Elessar class act. Are all people from Italy such morons? Or are you a special case? I understand you're living in a beautiful crap hole right now. Congratulations. Dumbass kid

@carpediem You seem indeed very fixated with shit. Like someone who's used to eat tons of it, and perhaps not only metaphorically?

And unfortunately no, we have f*cktards minus habentes like you also here.

@Elessar Nah. Won't happen. They'll move on to the next thing they can collectively whine about.

All those 'great patriots' had the chance to step up with a TINY TINY sacrifice for their country and fellow citizens.

Nope. Won't happen. The "poor me" mentality is too deeply ingrained. All I'm hoping for is they shut their freaking mouths about patriotism, morality, their misty-eyed love of the Constitution and all the other hypocritical horseshit they spew.

THEY are responsible for what we're seeing now with Covid. Wish it was only them who were paying the price. There would some justice in that.

@Ynotisay I totally agree. Here they don't paint themselves as "patriotic" or "defenders of freedoms" but more as "defenders of the economy" and what not, but the substance they're made of (mentioned by carpediem above, who can testimony from direct experience) is essentially the same.

@Stereoguy Let's let data speak:

This is the epidemiological curve
- Blue line is Italy (hard-lockdown from March to May, its beginning represented by the red vertical line)
- Orange line is the U.S. (disorganized measures, no country-wide lockdowns so far)

Now let's compare economic indicators, Q2 2020 (Italy's lockdown):

Italy: -12.0% GDP (with everything shut for over 2 months out of 3)
U.S. in the same period: -32.0% GDP

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@Stereoguy Here they locked down when it was too late. It took two months to get the situation under control, had we locked down earlier rather than wasting time it would've probably taken just a few weeks and a lot less drama ensuing.

Now we're making the very same mistake again, sort of. Add on top of it the fact that people are tired of the situation, and comply less.

@Stereoguy I remember, the pics from those beach parties I think were seen all over the world, here in IT for sure. It felt surreal.

@Elessar
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@Stereoguy Here the first region to be hit, as you probably know, was Lombardy (the industrial and financial heart of the country, with Milan coincidentally being our equivalent to NYC, sort of). I think had it affected any other region, the lockdown would've come probably earlier. Industrialists made the strongest opposition to the lockdown, even more than tourism-related businesses/lobbies.