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Elessar The naturalistic fallacy is what I hear a lot about. I love the quip:
"vegans have blenders, there's no blenders in the wild therefore veganism is wrong." It's like arguing with a bunch of 2 year old children, they don't have knives or forks in the wild, McDonalds, hospitals, nor get meat air lifted from New Zealand and all those fancy spices they put on their medium rare steak cooked to perfection on a grill either but that doesn't stop them 😂