Do you think the US Supreme court should allow for federal vaccine mandates to be enforced?

@Alisha233 or individual people?

@carpediem yes! 👍

@Alisha233 The virus will keep spreading and mutating unless almost everyone gets vaccinated. If the South and the Midwest get to opt out, then it’s not going to work. This is one of those things that doesn’t work very well unless we all do it together. So no, it should not be up to individual states or employers.

@Theyitis depends on if you believe the vaccines work and if you value security over freedom.

@Theyitis bullshit. Everyone I know that has had in the past two weeks has been triple jabbed. It's not a true vaccine where it keeps a vaccinated person from getting the virus. At least this variant. It eases the infection.

No vaccine can claim it only works if everyone gets it. That's idiotic.

@carpediem I believe Theyitis is referring to stoping the virus as a whole, not on an individual level.

@Alisha233 Uncle Joe has the plan for that. It’s working well don’t you think?

@Alisha233 The vaccines have been proven to work. Right wing tabloids basically lie about the vaccines being ineffective. And I absolutely value freedom. Freedom from a serious virus that has already killed over 800,000 and has left plenty more once-healthy people with scarred lungs and chronic health problems. All you have to do is get a damn shot. When polio was ravaging the country, did everyone “value their freedom” to not get the vaccine and let the disease continue to put people in iron lungs back then?

@Theyitis was polio created in a lab?

@carpediem Pray tell, what vaccine 100% prevents the vaccinated person from getting the virus? I’m waiting.

[quote]No vaccine can claim it only works if everyone gets it. That’s idiotic.[/quote] Thank God that’s not the attitude we took towards smallpox.

@Alisha233 No, polio was not created in a lab. Did that somehow make the vaccine less onerous?

@Alisha233 BS,
what are you alluding to?

@Theyitis You’re comparing apples and oranges. With this variant being vaccinated does not provide immunity. That’s a fact.

Polio vaccine was introduced in 1956. The disease wasn’t eradicated until 1979.

I know 30 people who have contrived covid in the past several weeks. Personal and business associates. All have been vaccinated. All. Not some. All. Getting the vaccine is not going to eradicate this. This will be more like the flu virus and be around forever.

Thanks China.

@samueltyler2 people don't know what they don't know.

And, with a vaccine mandate there will still be people who willn't not get the vaccine, but even less employed. Would the benefit out weigh the consequences?

@Alisha233 I don't understand your point. If you go to work, you should be able to feel comfortable that your co-worker will not spread a disease that is preventable. Many, employers, certainly health care providers, require other vaccines, under OSHA regulations, to protect coworkers as well as that worker.

Let us not call it a "mandate" let us call it a regulation set by OSHA for occupational safety, is that semantic change better? Yes, the result of universal immunization is worth the risks of the vaccine, if that is what you call consequences.

@carpediem [quote]Polio vaccine was introduced in 1956. The disease wasn’t eradicated until 1979.[/quote]What’s your point? You expect vaccines to eradicate diseases the instant they become available? Yeah, coronavirus is still going to be around for years, but the more people get the vaccine the faster it will fade and less opportunity it will have to mutate again and again and again. [quote]I know 30 people who have contrived covid in the last several weeks.[/quote] I think you mean [i]contracted[/i], not contrived. How many of those 30 died? How many even had to go to the hospital? [quote]Thanks China.[/quote] No, thanks, Trump.

@samueltyler2 no, the consequences of "no jab no job". People who are willing to work, loosing there job for choosing freedom of choice on taking a medication that has the potential of extreme side effects, undetermined long term side effects and questionable effectiveness altogether.

@Alisha233 I really didn't want to get deep into the weeds, but would you want someone with smallpox working next to you? how about measles? You do realize that both of those illnesses can be communicable before they are clinically evident, and we have eliminated them through immunization? I was a physician in training and saw tens or hundreds of children and adults die from diptheria, measles, influenza, bacterial meningitis, I could go on and on. They are rarely seen now, except in pockets where people managed to avoid immunization.

Would you eliminate the other public health advances such as regulations for clean water, and air?

If your true goal is to eliminate government, then say that, but don't use this philosophical argument to make the point. We all know that there is a movement to eliminate OSHA, EPA, DHHS, and all other national protective groups which can be claimed, cost big business money in order to protect you and me.

@samueltyler2 of course not... the topic is should government have that kind of authority?

@Alisha233 Who else could? The current argument is that it should be the state, not the federal government? Why the state, why not the town? The ultimate would be to eliminate all government and resort to anarchy. I have to leave now, it is bed time for me on the east coast US.