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Your Thoughts: Is Vladimir Putin's removal from power the only solution for ending the war in Ukraine?

[b]Read this write up in Qurora...what do you think?[/b]

[i]Tadeusz M.
Masters in International Relations, University of WarsawAuthor has 230 answers and 3.2M answer viewsUpdated Jan 1
There is one thing you need to realize: The main problem with this war is that in the eyes of many Russians Putin is not bad because he started the war but because he is losing it.[/i]

So, the answer depends what you mean by “ending the war” and by “removal from power”.

But generally, it may not even be the solution.

There is a strong argument that actually one of the worst things that may happen now is for Putin to lose power but for his clique to maintain it. That’s because it will give an easy way out both for Russia and the West while changing nothing in the longterm and possibly putting us in the same (or worse!) spot in few years.


In one sentence: It could offer a ceasefire with a new leader who plays a good guy but soon will capitalize politcally the anti-Western sentiment of the lost war. Except, this time Russia would be much better prepared.

There is a strong misconception of Putin as a madman who unilaterally started the war against Ukraine. Putin is top of many dogs and among those dogs the prevailing idea is that of anti-Westernism an the need of having Ukraine in Russian sphere of influence. That is also something that seems to be quite in line with the sentiment of the general Russian society.

One of the great peace mediators once said: Peace can only happen when both sides start to realize that there is more they can achieve by talks than by military means.


So, this is the first step. On the front it probably is happening already and will mature within the next 12 months.

But the next step, for peace to last, is for Russia and Russians to realize that military might is not a feasible tool to attain political goals in Europe in the XXIst century.

And for that to happen… Russia must go through some hardcore soulsearching. How exactly this occurs, nobody knows. Maybe removal of Putin is enough and the inner forces will start this process. But maybe Russia needs to lose in that war enough to redefine its interest and its role in the world. Or maybe something else.

Today, Western experts have big problem: it turned out that building European security architecture with Russia in it failed… but there is little interest in building it without Russia. As the latter would mean some kind of a new cold war.

History may remember Putin as a mad dictator, but he is not. He is part of the system and for the peace to last, the system must change, not just the one at the top of it.
that war isnt going to end as long as we are sending billions and billions in weapons to Ukraine. You're welcome. I do feel bad for both the citizens of Ukraine and Russia as they are pawns in all of this.
@cherokeepatti yep, some of Ukraines most deadly forces are a bunch of Nazi far right lunatics. You won’t hear that in the main stream media though.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@SheCallsMeCrushDaddy Damn, I wish we could send our Nazis off to die fighting the Russians, too.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@SheCallsMeCrushDaddy 'Ukraines most deadly forces are a bunch of Nazi far right lunatics.'

Come on now , are we really still talking as if this is a legitimate observation ? It's Russian propaganda , pure and simple , and the only reason it is (was) being taken seriously in some quarters was because it was being amplified in the pro-Trump right wing ecosphere.

Any serious research will soon debunk this myth. Here's a short piece for easy consumption ;

https://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2022/08/19/1384992/much-azov-about-nothing-how-the-ukrainian-neo-nazis-canard-fooled-the-world

And , if you are really intent on finding some real Nazis , then try looking no further than the invaders. Google Dmitry Utkin and learn about the guy who founded Wagner , looking dashing with his SS tatoo on his neck. (https://www.respublica.lt/post/neonacizmas-rusijos-samdiniu-tarpe)

Or read about the neo-nazi Rusich battalion from St.Petersburg here ; https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-terrifying-neo-nazi-mercenaries-being-deployed-in-ukraine/

As the excellent monarsh piece concludes ;

'One doesn’t need to look far to know who the true “fascists” are in this war.'
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Total Bunk!

Putin could just simply end this war today just by total withdrawal. That is the answer that few will ever take up!

It's because he refuses to withdraw that makes him a bad person.

He started it, he can stop it just as easily. Any other nonsense reasons simply won't work!

Ukraine didn't even threaten him when he took over Crimea! Everything else is just escalation of the original incursion.

It has nothing to do with NATO because they simply had nothing to do with Crimea. Didn't even attempt to stop him. Which they should have done.

He could have stopped it then. And he can easily stop it now! Withdrawal from everything, including Crimea!

For total dictators it's simply that easy! About time he admits he is one. Even all the Oligarch are currently afraid of him. And that's what matters even in old Russia.
@DeWayfarer he can just let NATO take Eurasia. Obviously you should be permitted to rule.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego no one could force me to! I wouldn't want to! 😆
Human1000 · M
@Roundandroundwego Ukraine wasn't in NATO. NATO wasn't a threat to Russia. That's propaganda. This is about empire.
I don’t think that country has ever loved to live in peace…or learned from their mistakes, looking at their history.

I mean look at Chernobyl!

Compare that with countries like Japan or Vietnam, and we can see how people who really want to live and work in harmony behave.

It’s a pattern that simply can’t be overlooked.
Hunter Biden is part owner in metabiotics labs in Ukraine with ties to wuhan and covid studies.

Err, what I meant to say was
‘orange man bad’…

Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@MasterLee more fake news! Sore loosers
@Strictmichael75 this reminds me the last time.. and every time,
you came on and hit a flurry of Qs you didn’t like..
and you were also wrong on them occasions..
Sit this one out Nancy
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revenant · F
I never thought he was mad; that is part of the propaganda. The west forgets that China and other countries will very probably align with Russia anyway.
MasterLee · 56-60, M
No we need to remove the bidens too
Rolexeo · 26-30, M
No, the Russian people love Putin. A new leader will be the same. What he's doing isn't right but NATO is forcing his hand. Make no mistake, they'd blow Russia off the map if they could. They don't care about even the citizens, and you see that by how Russians are being demonized and how they've cut off commerce
wonkywinky · 51-55, M
it might bring a change for a while but the next one is likely to be just as intent on restoring as much as the russian empire.the whole way of life in russia needs to change,like a second revolution,for proper democracy and accountability.
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Budwick · 70-79, M
@okaybut [quote] It is an illusion that Russia invaded Ukrain with its Military and that Ukrainians are figihting with there own lives?[/quote]

Wow - there's some detail your post left out!
Slade · 56-60, M
@jshm2

[i]We need an end to America, more than anything as it's got worse than the counterbalance USSR ever was. [/i]

There's the door dingleberry. But they'll issue you groovy jackboots before you are sent to the north pole gulag
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Budwick Actually, I feel his post pretty much covered it.

The russian gangsters will bleed to death in Ukraine, and deservedly so.

Ukraine will emerge stronger and better placed.

Иди нахуй, путин

Слава Україні!
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
I think the whole government has to change in Russia . Russia is not a communist government its a dictatorship and nothing will change till you have a government voted in by the people of Russia in a fair election .
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
I don't see how Putin is removed from power. I see the war dragging on for at least another year and an eventual agreement that takes us back to roughly where we were last February , and then the beginning of the new cold war.
Confined · 56-60, M
From what i understand this war was not unprovoked. Ukrainian govt was attacking Russia and doing crazy things. The media wont report the real deal so we can only speculate .
okaybut · 56-60, M
@Confined Zelensky and the crew has killed more than this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
I believe Russia themselves even admit to about 6000 of their solidiers killed.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-partial-mobilisation-will-see-300000-drafted-defence-minister-2022-09-21/
Russia also reports this:
61,207 killed, 49,368 wounded 24 February – 21 September 2022 Russian government[88][89][90]

The only way for Russia to fix things was to bomb Ukraine into a trillion dollars of destruction (outside of the people killed)? That does not seem a bit heavy handed in your view?
Confined · 56-60, M
@okaybut im not saying its right, Zelenskyy was warned.
There was a report that there was a possible peace treaty. Biden stepped in and put a stop to it. Not 100% sure its true but I would not doubt it.
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auris · M
Removing Putin is irrelevant. The russians will not back down from this. They see the situation as existential and they arent wrong a lot of talk has happen about dismantling Russia in the political and intellectual circles of Europe and the US.
okaybut · 56-60, M
@auris So by helping the Ukranians to defend themselves against a military attack we are dismantling Russsia? How?
auris · M
@okaybut By helping the ukranians we are not dismantling russia but a ukraine outside of the influence of Russia is a strategic vulnerability for Russia. In a future war between the west and russia, that part of the map is the main corridor for both sides and there is no super good defensive terrain between kiev the Caucasus or moscov. And the russians are super paranoid about that fact.

They are so paranoid that they pull the trigger permaturally in the invasion
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@auris There was absolutely zero chance of a future war between Russia and the West , at least before the invasion. To believe that the West poses an existential threat to Russia is to buy into the Kremlin's propaganda. This ridiculous notion was the pretext for the invasion. It was a lie then and it is a lie now.
We have no way to object to such evil.
NATO alone is free. We work here. Or we starve. Sorry for the war? Nobody I know cares about it!
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego Unfortunately a lot of Russians believe they are the only good people! Brainwashed
@Strictmichael75 yet together you made huge war. Authoritarian oligarchy vs everyone else. But war forever seems unstoppable. You and Putin are in charge.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego I think you have lost all sanity
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@Strictmichael75 if you say so..
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
His execution is the only answer
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Strictmichael75 putin's just a pathetic little kleptocrat... a neurotic and narcissistic footnote in history.

There have been other like him, and more will follow.

he's just another upstart.
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@newjaninev2 but who would replace him? Someone worse?
There is the problem! There are no free elections in Russia
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Strictmichael75 The russians will always find someone worse... it seems to be part of their 'poor us - we're such victims!' mentality.

The russians have never really removed the Mongol Yoke. Initially it kept them from participating in the Enlightenment, and now that lack keeps them from sharing the West's values and aspiration. Instead, russia merely resents those things which it lacks (washing machines and flush toilets, apparently)
Human1000 · M
It is necessary, but may not be sufficient. He seems willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives for his notion of empire. This isn't really situation where a "bilateral peace" is possible because Russia has no legitimate claim. Ukraine would need to surrender or Russia stop.

Russia will win if Republicans and Europeans won't put all their chips on Ukraine. I don't think the support will last.
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
it seems unlikely because Russia is poised to make a strong spring offensive. Ukraine is suffering. Russia may win and go on to conquer the former eastern block despite reports by our slanted news media. they have no control over Putin or what happens to him despite a bunch of hand wringing, unless they want to start a nuclear war
@lumberjackslam Russia won’t attack any NATO countries as that would trigger a major escalation.
lumberjackslam · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom probably not

 
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