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If you went to college on a student loan and paid it back how do you feel about Biden forgiving all this student debt of current students.

Poll - Total Votes: 35
It is just buying votes using tax payer dollars.
Todays students are more deserving of having their debt forgiven.
The whole government load system is responsible for running up the cost of college.
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
I'm fine with it. College is too expensive, and there is value to having an educated society. I'd rather subsidize students than the top 1%, or provide oil extraction subsidies.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@Subsumedpat Yes, and it has for decades. There are many causes, one of which is colleges and universities figure they need expensive facilities to compete for students. It is pricing all but the most wealthy students out of the "better" places whose graduates get the best and most good-paying jobs. The existing system cost me big time--I had kids in college for 17 straight years, and in some years there were three of them. Most of my income went to various colleges and universities for several decades. But I don't begrudge students now for having some loans forgiven.
Ynotisay · M
@windinhishair Good comment and one that so many don't even consider. My take is that those screaming about any kind of debt relief never went to college and have been trained to support the people screwing them the most.
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AbbySvenz · F
If you’ve paid off your student loans, good for you. What does that have to do with anyone else’s situation?
AbbySvenz · F
Yours, and everybody else’s. Including those whose debt would be cancelled.

Its not like the entire amount is coming out of [i]your[/i] pocket @pdockal
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pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
I live in Canada.. University fees are heavily subsidized by taxes and here are reasonable costs to the Student and their families.. We PAY heavy taxes to subsidize those costs.. In the USA there are minimal subsidies from government towards tuition costs.. so they are exorbitant.. using taxpayers money to cover part of the exorbitant costs of tuition debt is thus reasonable and equitable until your tax structure moves in line with the rest of the civilized world and you recognize that government has legitimate functions in society other than military spending.. The paralysis that the USA has in paying a right sized level of taxation is why education and health care are treated so ridiculously in the USA.. you literally spend HALF of your health care expenditures on insurance companies that do NOT add one dime of health care provision to the consumer..smarten up and grow up already.. its ridiculous watching you chase your tails..
Neoerectus · M
@pdqsailor1 They USED to be here FAR more by states than now. PELL grants have fallen in real dollars since the 70's and 80's.

Universities should NOT be the financial aid gate kerpers because they jack up costs knowing what students have. It should be separate so the student can negotiate.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Neoerectus Tuition should be reasonable not exorbitant.. Higher education should be by the MERIT - the capacity of ones ability to complete the course of study not based on wealth.. Examples are all round you.... Obama and Clinton were both from modest backgrounds and are possessed of high levels of mental acuity / capacity - they were well educated.. and the result has been that the nation has been well served by them.. Larry Ellison was an orphan that was raised by his Aunt and Uncle.. He is brilliant and started a company that made him one of the worlds wealthiest men.. and he was well educated to have the capacity to achieve his goals..
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
I think the U.S. should join the rest of the civilized world and provide free or very low cost college for our young people. In the past 40 years college costs have sky-rocketed.

Education is an essential investment. We must have engineers, doctors, nurses, technicians, all kinds of skilled workers. Society has to provide affordable college and job training.

FYI - Lenders charge students interest rates that are 10x what they charge banks to borrow money.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@badminton you’re acting like college being the only way to be successful is a reach
pdockal · 56-60, M
@badminton

Nobody forced them to go to college
My niece figured how to become a nurse without her loans being forgiven & had no help from family (she 25) and was able to have minimal debt
Unions are hiring and members have zero debt

If you can't afford college then don't go
If less students are enrolling the colleges will have to lower tuition

EVERYTHING is expensive NOT just college
Should i pay your car loan
Should i pay you rent
Should i pay your utilities

ENOUGH already

Join the military and you'll get money for college after

Go to night school and work on mcdonalds during the day
Or go to college during the day and work McDonald's @ night
@ $20/ hour you have options

I'm not their piggy bank
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deadgerbil · 22-25
If they get the relief, good for them. This country gives so much money to wealthy corporations, it can go towards everyday people instead. If you have an issue with it you're just clueless
Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@deadgerbil I just hope it goes to people that need it.
Crazywaterspring · 61-69, M
If someone is able to pay off their loans, good for them. Elementary school teachers aren't as well paid as most engineers or business majors.
@Crazywaterspring They have a lot of time off though ( if they aren't teaching summer school )
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Crazywaterspring

Did anybody force them to go to college and chose that career path ?????
brian29715 · 46-50, M
I worked my way through college and took out no loans.

I think it’s absolutely horrible that loans are being forgiven. No loan is ever forgiven, it’s paid for by someone. IMO, it’s just a way to buy votes.

The whole premise of the exorbitant cost and graduates not being able to get jobs is a different subject.

Bottom line, if you can’t afford something, don’t get it. That goes for college, a car, a phone, everything. Don’t expect or anticipate that “someone” will pay for you.
@brian29715 ok boomer...
My wife went to college on student loans and paid them back. She is absolutely fine with student loan forgiveness.

Next, let me point out that student loans are NOT the only loans the US government forgives. If student loan forgiveness were unique, I might feel differently about them.

During the previous administration, 10.2 million Paycheck Protection Program loans were forgiven or partially forgiven. With average forgiveness $72,000, that works out to $734 billion in loan forgiveness subsidies to business owners.

Agricultural subsidies in the US are HUGE topic, but suffice it to say we've been forgiving agricultural equipment purchase loans and land mortgages as well as price supports and paying farmers not to grow crops.

supporting info:
[quote]As of July 4 this year, 10.2 million PPP loans, introduced to support small businesses, had been fully or partially written off.

The first loans were authorized by the CARES Act in March 2020, which provided $350 billion of fully guaranteed funds.

In April 2020, another $310 billion was allocated via the Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act. A further $285 billion came in the second stimulus package of December 2020.

The government's Pandemic Response Accountability Committee found that 97 percent of PPP loans were used to help fund payroll. The average amount of PPP loan forgiveness was $72,500.[/quote] [b]https://www.newsweek.com/what-ppp-loan-forgiveness-scheme-paycheck-protection-program-student-debt-1736775[/b]
Howudoin · 41-45, M
I'm pissed at this. I paid back my student loans, it's called life. You have to borrow for something to improve your life situation? Fine, that's part of modern society. But you better effing have to pay it back, that's called responsibility.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@Howudoin Everything ... in moderation...
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Howudoin We have socialism in the U.S. - for billionaires and corporations. They get huge bail-outs, subsides, and tax breaks.

Regular people get unregulated capitalism.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@badminton Regular people are the VICTIMS of unregulated capitalism..Its a pretty much fixed game - the billionaires, banks and corporations control access to capital markets.. entrepreneurs ... have a hard time of it..
Azlotto · M
Plain and simple: Borrow money, pay it back.
Ynotisay · M
@Azlotto So what? I did the same thing. Who cares? The point is you don't how these loans work, who got them and the machinations behind them.
But look. I know how some can't be happy unless others are doing worse so you should be glad to know there's a still roughly a trillion in student loans out there in loans that aren't subject to this. So yay! Americans struggling under a mountain of debt while corporations and the richest skate by. That's GOTTA' make you happy. Enjoy it dude.
Azlotto · M
@Ynotisay [quote]But look[/quote]

That's when I stopped reading your reply.
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Meh, good for them, as long as my kids get the breaks too.

Back in the day, we could re-paid loans easier. Where now, them trying to help pay for college has only increased the prices... making it harder to pay back.
pdqsailor1 · 61-69, M
@sstronaut costs are far from reasonable..
@pdqsailor1 exactly, so why are you complaining about someone getting some help
Ynotisay · M
I went to college, I paid my own way and I feel GREAT about this.
I don't feel great that a dude has so little understanding of this topic that he'd say "all student debt."
You should have gone to college dude. It pays off in other ways.
Pfuzylogic · M
I was more upset when trump put us 12 trillion into debt with no return.
12 trillion could have bought a lot of employment but noooo!
It's probably bad for everyone that we accept this inequality and don't try to be a society.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
Waste of tax dollars. Next we will be forgiving mortgages and auto loans
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Ynotisay If the entire world wasn't on the brink of nuclear war and heading towards recession and we had the money to spare that would be a different issue. Now isn't the time. And like I said students have all kinds of resources that they refuse to take advantage of because they want to go to a 100k dollar school and show off. I went and got an associates in nursing for free because I used grants, scholarships and financial aid.

People have the option to use those resources but they choose not to because there's a lot of work that goes into it. They would rather sign a loan and do it the easy way. I don't pity them
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Ynotisay not to mention if a student isn't smart enough to use the resources that are readily available to them to be able to finish school for free they aren't [b]competent [/b]enough for that degree anyway.

Budgeting and math is a life skill.
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Neoerectus · M
The govt is fulfilling its CONTRACT with the students who enrolled in PSLF or similar programs. It is no different from any othef loan forgiveness. ie Trillions spent on corporations during COVID.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Its a bribe
DDonde · 31-35, M
None of the above. I don't take issue with it.
tenente · 100+, M
i have no problem with forgiving loans for teachers, nurses, firefighters, people who've chosen a career that services the community. and, broadly, i look at forgiving student loans as a stimulus measure for the economy. i get that forgiving student loans feels unfair and there's concerns of moral hazard. on exception, it makes sense.
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badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@badlands America needs scientists, engineers (civil, mechanical, electrical,aerospace and others), doctors, nurses, architects, all kinds of skilled workers. The U.S. will fall behind and decline if we don't provide for our people.

Other advanced countries recognize this and provide free/low-cost college. Only in the U.S. does college mean a ball and chain of debt that lasts decades.
badlands · 22-25, F
@badminton Other countries are other countries. You have only mentioned a few professions. Does America need people who study performing arts or social sciences? Where do you draw the line?
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Handfull1 · 61-69, F
@Elessar I think every generation shakes their heads at the next one. Humans rarely like too much change.
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