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ElwoodBlues · M
@OriginalNedKelly Here's a bit from SCOTUS' ruling on Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 48-51; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238; see Russian Fleet v. United States, 282 U. S. 481, 282 U. S. 489. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Wong Yang Sung, supra; Wong Wing, supra.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@OriginalNedKelly says
The US Constitution says
Any person dude, that means every human being in the US gets due process including criminals, "illegal aliens" etc etc.
Need to see what SCOTUS has ruled??
Here's a bit more from Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
ILLEGAL migrants have NO RIGHTS at all
DEAD WRONG !!!The US Constitution says
... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ...
Any person dude, that means every human being in the US gets due process including criminals, "illegal aliens" etc etc.
Need to see what SCOTUS has ruled??
Shaughnessy v. United States ex rel. Mezei, 345 U.S. 206, 212 (1953); see also Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67, 77 (1976) ("There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."); Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202, 215 (1982) (holding that unlawfully present aliens were entitled to both due process and equal protection under the Fourteenth Amendment).
Here's a bit more from Mathews v. Diaz 1976 including citations of prior rulings.
There are literally millions of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States. The Fifth Amendment, as well as the Fourteenth Amendment, protects every one of these persons from deprivation of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. Wong Yang Sung v. McGrath, 339 U. S. 33, 339 U. S. 48-51; Wong Wing v. United States, 163 U. S. 228, 163 U. S. 238; see Russian Fleet v. United States, 282 U. S. 481, 282 U. S. 489. Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection. Wong Yang Sung, supra; Wong Wing, supra.
Even one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.
Thank you, SCOTUS for being clear, unambiguous, and leaving zero wiggle room.
Platinum · M
@NerdyPotato trump has ignored the 5th amendment and so have i...
Platinum · M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow all countries have a different way of dealing with illegal immigrants who dont have passports....
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Platinum True. But pretending what is happening in the US is about illegal immigration is just deliberately dishonest.
And again. refugees are LEGAL immigrants.
And again. refugees are LEGAL immigrants.
Roadsterrider · 56-60, M
If someone is in the country illegally, they are subject to deportation. That is the process. That is due process. The alternative would be to have a trial for every illegal alien, bottle necking the already bottlenecked court system for years. There is a process for immigration, are you talking about immigrants, those who have legally immigrated and became citizens? Or are you talking about those who have immigrated illegally into the country?
@Patriot96 I'm not getting paid to do research on statutes and executive orders, but off the top of my head, I'd say Art I, sec. 9 (foreign emoluments), plus the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th Amendments. With a little digging, probably the Sixth and Eighth, and incredibly enough, the 3rd Amendment might even see some action.
Obviously, that's for the Administration. Trump was convicted of breaking laws before he took office the 2nd time.
Obviously, that's for the Administration. Trump was convicted of breaking laws before he took office the 2nd time.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@MistyCee You can't name any because he hasn't broken any laws regarding this situation. The hollow claims you make are just that, hollow, without merit and are now just BS leftist talking points. Newsflash...no one is listening any longer. The lies are no longer accepted as fact within the ranks of normal free thinking people. They are of course accepted as gospel truth only within the ranks of the looney left.
@carpediem This situation, as in ignoring the 14th Amendment when it comes to immigrants?
OP just gave you a page full of cites indicating that "persons", including aliens, are entitled to due process under the 14th Amendment.
Of course, those might all have been "loony left" judges over the past two centuries, and they may not have correctly interpreted the plain text so as to allow for Herr Trump's absolute executive supremacy.
It is quite possible that, out of fear, greed, or other motivation, six Justices will decide that the 14th Amendment doesn't mean what it says, or that it says something other than what we've thought it meant since it was written.
And if it does, maybe Trump didn't break any laws. Or maybe, they'll finally come out and say, "if the President does it, it can't be illegal."
Until then, though, I'm sticking with the "radical left" concept that the Constitution guarantees due process to all persons, and not just MAGA followers.
OP just gave you a page full of cites indicating that "persons", including aliens, are entitled to due process under the 14th Amendment.
Of course, those might all have been "loony left" judges over the past two centuries, and they may not have correctly interpreted the plain text so as to allow for Herr Trump's absolute executive supremacy.
It is quite possible that, out of fear, greed, or other motivation, six Justices will decide that the 14th Amendment doesn't mean what it says, or that it says something other than what we've thought it meant since it was written.
And if it does, maybe Trump didn't break any laws. Or maybe, they'll finally come out and say, "if the President does it, it can't be illegal."
Until then, though, I'm sticking with the "radical left" concept that the Constitution guarantees due process to all persons, and not just MAGA followers.
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PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
swirlie · 31-35
What Amendments? There are no so-called "Amendments" under an Authoritarian Dictatorship. The US Constitution no longer exists in principle and Americans have to learn to get their heads around that fact.
Hitler did the same thing back in 1933 involving Mussolini and so what America is experiencing is simply history repeating itself, but Americans learned absolutely nothing from the original story which only ended 80 years ago, ffs's!
Hitler did the same thing back in 1933 involving Mussolini and so what America is experiencing is simply history repeating itself, but Americans learned absolutely nothing from the original story which only ended 80 years ago, ffs's!
swirlie · 31-35
A more relevant question would have been to ask, "What do you think about Americans not pushing back against the Trump Administration for hijacking the US Constitution and for turning the US military onto US citizens?".
How did all that become totally okay with Americans?
How did all that become totally okay with Americans?
BorealPedant · 41-45, M
Hell these folks are probably gonna violate the third amendment at this rate and I'm not even kidding.
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kodiac · 22-25, M
@swirlie Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. It applies to people who do not enter with proper inspection at a port of entry, such as those who enter between ports of entry, avoid examination or inspection, or who make false statements while entering or attempting to enter. A first offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine, up to six months in prison, or both.
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Ferise1 · 46-50, M
What’s the fifth?