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ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell
What happened to the COMMISSION? Republicans blocked it in the Senate. Republicans blocked any sort of Senate involvement in the Jan 6 investigation. So the only investigative method left was a House Committee.
Republicans had their chance at a commission made up of five Democrats and five Republicans. They rejected it. That wasn't Pelosi's doing.
There could also have been non-RINO Republicans on the committee,
The original proposal was to have a bipartisan COMMISSION, with equal numbers of republicans and democrats. The proposed commission was modeled on the one established to investigate the 9/11 terror attacks, with 10 commissioners — five Democrats and five Republicans — who would have subpoena powers. A Democratic chair and Republican vice chair would have had to approve all subpoenas with a final report due at the end of the year.
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/28/1000524897/senate-republicans-block-plan-for-independent-commission-on-jan-6-capitol-riotWhat happened to the COMMISSION? Republicans blocked it in the Senate. Republicans blocked any sort of Senate involvement in the Jan 6 investigation. So the only investigative method left was a House Committee.
Republicans had their chance at a commission made up of five Democrats and five Republicans. They rejected it. That wasn't Pelosi's doing.
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LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell If the conservative groups were crossing a line that liberal groups weren't, they deserved additional scrutiny. To give an example, would you say that a church that welcomes LGBT members is equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church? It's not like the first approves of LGBT while the WBC merely disapproves.
The Dobbs ruling throws a money wrench into the midterms. Now, they're going to be about abortion rights, and not inflation or perceived Democratic overreach with the 1/6 hearings. By the way, I think the hearings are having an effect. Notice that Fox News isn't spending any time debunking the hearings. Instead, they're ignoring them. This sets the stage for the next step, which will be "we never supported Trump anyway." There may be a few Republicans who vote because they're mad about the hearings, but I think those were people who were going to vote anyway.
The Dobbs ruling throws a money wrench into the midterms. Now, they're going to be about abortion rights, and not inflation or perceived Democratic overreach with the 1/6 hearings. By the way, I think the hearings are having an effect. Notice that Fox News isn't spending any time debunking the hearings. Instead, they're ignoring them. This sets the stage for the next step, which will be "we never supported Trump anyway." There may be a few Republicans who vote because they're mad about the hearings, but I think those were people who were going to vote anyway.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@LeopoldBloom
That remains to be seen in November, Leo.
BTW, have Biden's approval ratings improved any lately...? 🤔
I haven't noticed anything of the kind. In fact, last night they spent a good deal of time debunking Hutchinson's cock-and-bull story about Trump grabbing the wheel of the presidential limousine. 🙄
"Now, they're going to be about abortion rights, and not inflation or perceived Democratic overreach with the 1/6 hearings."
That remains to be seen in November, Leo.
BTW, have Biden's approval ratings improved any lately...? 🤔
"By the way, I think the hearings are having an effect. Notice that Fox News isn't spending any time debunking the hearings. Instead, they're ignoring them.
I haven't noticed anything of the kind. In fact, last night they spent a good deal of time debunking Hutchinson's cock-and-bull story about Trump grabbing the wheel of the presidential limousine. 🙄
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell Biden needs to take some bold action if he wants his approval ratings to go up. I thought the idea of leasing space on federal property to abortion clinics was a great idea, but it was shot down. If he doesn't do something, he's going to be challenged in 2024 by other Democrats who will.
I hadn't seen much before Hutchinson's testimony other than "the hearings are biased, now let's look at the football scores." There is video evidence of Trump lunging for the wheel, however. I would agree that her testimony was lurid but not really meaningful. I'm more interested in the videos that documentarian turned over to the committee.
If it could be proven to your satisfaction that Trump attempted to overturn the election results and encouraged the Capitol riot, would that matter to you? I've heard some conservatives say that even if he legitimately lost the election, he was entitled to violently overturn it because we needed him to stay in the White House.
I hadn't seen much before Hutchinson's testimony other than "the hearings are biased, now let's look at the football scores." There is video evidence of Trump lunging for the wheel, however. I would agree that her testimony was lurid but not really meaningful. I'm more interested in the videos that documentarian turned over to the committee.
If it could be proven to your satisfaction that Trump attempted to overturn the election results and encouraged the Capitol riot, would that matter to you? I've heard some conservatives say that even if he legitimately lost the election, he was entitled to violently overturn it because we needed him to stay in the White House.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
There could also have been non-RINO Republicans on the committee, but Nancy wasn't going to repeat the same mistake as when Mueller was made a fool of of six hours on national TV.
This extravaganza was not going to permit unfriendly cross-examination. 😂 😂 😂
This extravaganza was not going to permit unfriendly cross-examination. 😂 😂 😂
ElwoodBlues · M
@Slade No matter how you try to spin it, Republicans, lead by Trump, BLOCKED a bipartisan commission to investigate Jan 6. Why would they do such a thing? Maybe Trump thought he could ignore all the subpoenas from the House committee. Or perhaps because republicans expected they could sucker millions of fools into ignoring what the House committee is finding. Whatever their reasons, their plan backfired. Now they are reaping what they've sown, in the middle of an election season.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@ElwoodBlues
Get back to us after the November elections, Ellie.
Btw, have Biden's approval ratings gone up since the Schiffshow "hearings" started...? 🤔
Get back to us after the November elections, Ellie.
Btw, have Biden's approval ratings gone up since the Schiffshow "hearings" started...? 🤔
akindheart · 61-69, F
@MistyCee well actually you added another dimension. He fronted it, signed it was expected to know what was in it which he didn't. But there was also something political. He wss turned down for something
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Trump is fundamentally incapable of telling the truth, as his White House Counsel admitted. He cannot go under oath without committing perjury, so no attorney will allow him to do so.
Ynotisay · M
@windinhishair You're on the money. It's a no-win for him. And, it appears, a whole lot of others. But that's why he has Truth Social.
The idea that some of the witnesses were contacted in advance under the guise of "We know you're loyal" is another animal.
“You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
- Donald Trump
The idea that some of the witnesses were contacted in advance under the guise of "We know you're loyal" is another animal.
“You see the mob takes the Fifth. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
- Donald Trump
Ynotisay · M
"Did you ever grab the throat of a member of your staff?"
"I take the Fifth."
"Did you ever throw plates against the wall in the White House?"
"Fifth."
This testimony was mind blowing.
"I take the Fifth."
"Did you ever throw plates against the wall in the White House?"
"Fifth."
This testimony was mind blowing.
When Gen. Flynn was asked if he supports a peaceful transfer of power he took the 5th.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
You have furniture in your head since he lives there rent free?
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@LeopoldBloom I don’t vote
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@MrBrownstone Then with all due respect STFU and take what you are given, since you refuse to accept any responsibility.😷
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Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
He'll just scream "fake news" and so the cult will just scream "fake news." So it goes...
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
According to Cry-Baby-trump only guilty people take the 5th. The people clutching on to his imaginary purity now are only interested in "owning the libs" as a tool to disguise their own inadequacies. They most likely still think Timothy McVeigh is a hero, Ted Bundy was framed, and the Boston Marathon Bomber is cute as a button.
There is a group of people due to personality conditions who always rally around the guilty. Michael Flynn and Rudi Giuliani are counting on them.
There is a group of people due to personality conditions who always rally around the guilty. Michael Flynn and Rudi Giuliani are counting on them.
Budwick · 70-79, M
And give an ounce of undeserved credence to that witch hunt?
akindheart · 61-69, F
And so could Joe Biden, if they asked him under oath, did you know your son was involvedwith China dealings? And was Joe aware? he says no.
akindheart · 61-69, F
@ElwoodBlues it is when you use your position in the govt to get the money like they did. and like they did in Ukraine. remember Burisma...
ElwoodBlues · M
@akindheart Funny thing, Trump's 112,000 person Dept of Justice had four years to investigate all of Hunter Biden's business dealings. Well, at least those personnel who could be spared from the efforts to get the dirt on Hillary and Obama.
And what did Trump's 112,000 person Dept of Justice come up with after four years? No convictions. No prosecutions. Heck, not even any indictments for God's sake!! But you think Tucker Carlson knows more than Trump's 112,000 person Dept of Justice? LOL!!!
I think if you look at the timeline, you'll find Hunter Biden didn't do any business with China until after his father left office. Likewise Ukraine.
To put Hunter's actions in context, I'll ask you this:
if it really bothers you that presidential family members might do business with foreign corporations, did you get upset when you learned that Qatar had bailed Jared Kushner out of his awful 666 5th Ave investment in Aug 2018 to the tune of $1.1 billion?
Just to underline the key points here, Joe Biden was out of office by the time Hunter Biden joined a business that was investing Chinese money. In comparison, Jared Kushner was a White House advisor to Trump in 2018 when his family sold all rights to 666 5th Ave to Qatar for $1.1 billion. Do you only have eyes for Hunter Biden??
A touch more whataboutism for you:
And what did Trump's 112,000 person Dept of Justice come up with after four years? No convictions. No prosecutions. Heck, not even any indictments for God's sake!! But you think Tucker Carlson knows more than Trump's 112,000 person Dept of Justice? LOL!!!
I think if you look at the timeline, you'll find Hunter Biden didn't do any business with China until after his father left office. Likewise Ukraine.
To put Hunter's actions in context, I'll ask you this:
if it really bothers you that presidential family members might do business with foreign corporations, did you get upset when you learned that Qatar had bailed Jared Kushner out of his awful 666 5th Ave investment in Aug 2018 to the tune of $1.1 billion?
Just to underline the key points here, Joe Biden was out of office by the time Hunter Biden joined a business that was investing Chinese money. In comparison, Jared Kushner was a White House advisor to Trump in 2018 when his family sold all rights to 666 5th Ave to Qatar for $1.1 billion. Do you only have eyes for Hunter Biden??
A touch more whataboutism for you:
Oct. 10, 2019
. . .
Eric Trump and his older brother, Donald Trump Jr., run the Trump Organization, which conducts business — and takes in tens of millions of dollars annually — around the globe and is still owned by the president. The company is forging ahead with projects in Ireland, India, Indonesia and Uruguay, and is licensing the Trump name in such turbulent areas as Turkey and the Philippines.
. . .
Trump owns more than $130 million in assets across 30 countries under the trust controlled by his children, according to an analysis of his financial disclosures by the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group in Washington that tracks money in politics.
The assets generated more than $100 million in income in 2017 and 2018 combined, according to the group, which calls those estimates conservative because the president has disclosed only ranges, not specific figures, in public.
Got that? Trump's personally owned foreign assets "generated more than $100 million in income in 2017 and 2018 combined"!!. . .
Eric Trump and his older brother, Donald Trump Jr., run the Trump Organization, which conducts business — and takes in tens of millions of dollars annually — around the globe and is still owned by the president. The company is forging ahead with projects in Ireland, India, Indonesia and Uruguay, and is licensing the Trump name in such turbulent areas as Turkey and the Philippines.
. . .
Trump owns more than $130 million in assets across 30 countries under the trust controlled by his children, according to an analysis of his financial disclosures by the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit, nonpartisan group in Washington that tracks money in politics.
The assets generated more than $100 million in income in 2017 and 2018 combined, according to the group, which calls those estimates conservative because the president has disclosed only ranges, not specific figures, in public.
akindheart · 61-69, F
@ElwoodBlues I lost my reply. darn it.
Trump never used his influence to get money like Hunter did. Remember the 1 billion dollars that Joe threatened to withhold from Ukraine if they didn't stop the investigation into Burisma. No Tucker Carlson there. I don't watch him. i saw the whole thing on TV. I guess you will want the channel too because of course MSNDumbC doesn't show that.
Then we have the laptops that prove Hunter and "the big guy" was involved.
you think just because they were not prosecuted, they are innocent. Not so. The SWAMP is so thick and deep, they thwarted any chances of prosecution. Remember Christopher Wray the plant? yeah deep state.
as for the business dealings of the trumps, he was in business BEFORE he came into office and transferred all holdings over to his sons. so no conflict of interest, He was successful before he came into office unlike Hunter who had nothing behind him but failed military service and drug dealings. we won't get into the pedophilia...yes there are pics.
Joe has NEVER been out of office. he used his VP status to get bribes. all on record.
so they had Sussman on record too. how did he get off the hook? deep state.
The list goes on and on. if you think that no convictions prove your point, you are sadly mistaken. you should be worried our govt has not prosecuted the real criminals. instead you try to white wash what really is going on. Joe and family are crooked as hell.
Trump never used his influence to get money like Hunter did. Remember the 1 billion dollars that Joe threatened to withhold from Ukraine if they didn't stop the investigation into Burisma. No Tucker Carlson there. I don't watch him. i saw the whole thing on TV. I guess you will want the channel too because of course MSNDumbC doesn't show that.
Then we have the laptops that prove Hunter and "the big guy" was involved.
you think just because they were not prosecuted, they are innocent. Not so. The SWAMP is so thick and deep, they thwarted any chances of prosecution. Remember Christopher Wray the plant? yeah deep state.
as for the business dealings of the trumps, he was in business BEFORE he came into office and transferred all holdings over to his sons. so no conflict of interest, He was successful before he came into office unlike Hunter who had nothing behind him but failed military service and drug dealings. we won't get into the pedophilia...yes there are pics.
Joe has NEVER been out of office. he used his VP status to get bribes. all on record.
so they had Sussman on record too. how did he get off the hook? deep state.
The list goes on and on. if you think that no convictions prove your point, you are sadly mistaken. you should be worried our govt has not prosecuted the real criminals. instead you try to white wash what really is going on. Joe and family are crooked as hell.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Hell, i pled the fifth when asked my