So, I know some people who preach about how important it is to pay your taxes
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Gloomy · F
There has never been a pure bartering system like Adam Smith described in history and taxes are important but what needs to be checked is how they are put to use.
The "taxation is theft" crowd are the most idiotic people ever and they seem to remind people to pay their taxes only cause they have to do it too but at the same time find excuses for ultra wealthy people and corporations evading taxes.
The "taxation is theft" crowd are the most idiotic people ever and they seem to remind people to pay their taxes only cause they have to do it too but at the same time find excuses for ultra wealthy people and corporations evading taxes.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
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DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
There’s a reason we quit the bartering system. Because someone’s item may not be as valuable as it is to them as it realistically is. Someone could try to trade a house carriage for a house
Or if someone desperately needed something like food someone could easily take advantage of that situation and take a very valuable item that belonged to said person in exchange for food because that person desperately needed it
Because things have fixed monetary value that is something that can no longer happen
Without taxes, we wouldn’t have a fire department police department to enforce rules. We wouldn’t have government assistance: food stamps, Medicaid. We wouldn’t have a post office. We wouldn’t have a courthouse. We wouldn’t have programs that give out free food to homeless people or roads or traffic lights
Or if someone desperately needed something like food someone could easily take advantage of that situation and take a very valuable item that belonged to said person in exchange for food because that person desperately needed it
Because things have fixed monetary value that is something that can no longer happen
Without taxes, we wouldn’t have a fire department police department to enforce rules. We wouldn’t have government assistance: food stamps, Medicaid. We wouldn’t have a post office. We wouldn’t have a courthouse. We wouldn’t have programs that give out free food to homeless people or roads or traffic lights
Gloomy · F
@DeluxedEdition It's still happening though with products being produced very cheap, sometimes under terrible conditions are then being sold much higher.
Companies artificially influencing prices to go up, lack of transparency on how prices came to be, etc...
Companies artificially influencing prices to go up, lack of transparency on how prices came to be, etc...
Gloomy · F
@DeluxedEdition [quote]Without taxes, we wouldn’t have a fire department police department to enforce rules. We wouldn’t have government assistance: food stamps, Medicaid. We wouldn’t have a post office. We wouldn’t have a courthouse. We wouldn’t have programs that give out free food to homeless people or roads or traffic lights[/quote]
That's spot on and something people complaining about taxation never seem to think about or they just don't care about society.
That's spot on and something people complaining about taxation never seem to think about or they just don't care about society.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
I don't the same people are saying those two things.
I want people to pay their taxes because we get stuff out of it. I want roads schools hospitals and a functioning welfare state. If I have to exist in this barely-functioning political system I at least want the public services to work properly and not to have sixty thousand private toll booths because we privatized the highways.
A bartering system doesn't make a lick of sense if you think about global logistics for a moment.
I want people to pay their taxes because we get stuff out of it. I want roads schools hospitals and a functioning welfare state. If I have to exist in this barely-functioning political system I at least want the public services to work properly and not to have sixty thousand private toll booths because we privatized the highways.
A bartering system doesn't make a lick of sense if you think about global logistics for a moment.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
Taxes are only a good concept in a fair, mature society where you can count on that that the bulk of what you give to the government won't end up in the cars, villas, trips and expensive jewellery of the corrupt swines in the parliament.
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Gloomy · F
@CrazyMusicLover Oh no the struggle is real here in Romania but I wouldn't ever dream of advocating for an anarcho capitalist society.
You might think this would fix things but private corporations would immediately exploit that situation, then there is the question of ownership claims of those who finance public infrastructure they might want to turn it into capital instead of free public property, ...
You might think this would fix things but private corporations would immediately exploit that situation, then there is the question of ownership claims of those who finance public infrastructure they might want to turn it into capital instead of free public property, ...
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@Gloomy I heard Romania is even worse in this but I don't know. The fact is that something is broken when stuff that is supposed to be funded by taxes gets paid out of the pocket of individuals anyway. You pay twice. You pay taxes and then to private businesses to get done what was supposed to be done from your taxes. Either taxes are low or the money just gets lost somewhere on the way...
I agree that healthcare should never be privatized completely though.
And there has to be some control and regulation over private companies from the position of the state that would prevent them from privatization of the protected land, creating monopoly and pushing prices too high.
I agree that healthcare should never be privatized completely though.
And there has to be some control and regulation over private companies from the position of the state that would prevent them from privatization of the protected land, creating monopoly and pushing prices too high.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@CrazyMusicLover That should be addressed by fixing the public service, making pressure in politics, protesting if necessary; not by doing a favour to the very individuals and corporations that bribed their way in so that the public service would suck on purpose. The main difficulty with that is that the average person doesn't bother engaging with anything of that, and will go the easier route of just paying the private business (maybe even [i]in black [/i] / without invoice, to cut the costs down a little bit :wink: :wink:) and.. here we are.
Healthcare isn't the only thing that turns into a shìtshow when there isn't a public alternative unfortunately, just the most notorious one. Education is another, and another one is media / the press. Maybe even energy, in hindsight, wasn't really smart to privatize.
Healthcare isn't the only thing that turns into a shìtshow when there isn't a public alternative unfortunately, just the most notorious one. Education is another, and another one is media / the press. Maybe even energy, in hindsight, wasn't really smart to privatize.
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