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Can someone explain where the phrase "New World Order" originated?

I mean, in the sense in which it is currently being used, that is.
4meAndyou · F
"The phrase "new world order" or similar language was used in the period toward the end of the First World War in relation to Woodrow Wilson's vision for international peace;[a] Wilson called for a League of Nations to prevent aggression and conflict. The League of Nations failed, and neither Franklin Roosevelt nor Harry S. Truman used the phrase "new world order" much when speaking publicly on international peace and cooperation.[1][2] Indeed, in some instances when Roosevelt used the phrase "new world order", or "new order in the world" it was to refer to Axis powers plans for world domination.[3][4][5][6] Truman speeches have phrases such as "better world order", "peaceful world order", "moral world order" and "world order based on law", but not so much "new world order".[2] Although Roosevelt and Truman may have been hesitant to use the phrase, commentators have applied the term retroactively to the order put in place by the World War II victors including the United Nations and the Bretton Woods system as a "new world order."[7][8]"

"The phrase "new world order" as used to herald in the post-Cold War era had no developed or substantive definition. There appear to have been three distinct periods in which it was progressively redefined, first by the Soviets and later by the United States before the Malta Conference and again after George H. W. Bush's speech of September 11, 1990.

At first, the new world order dealt almost exclusively with nuclear disarmament and security arrangements. Mikhail Gorbachev would then expand the phrase to include United Nations strengthening and great power cooperation on a range of North–South economic, and security problems. Implications for NATO, the Warsaw Pact, and European integration were subsequently included.
The Malta Conference collected these various expectations and they were fleshed out in more detail by the press. German reunification, human rights and the polarity of the international system were then included.
The Gulf War crisis refocused the term on superpower cooperation and regional crises. Economic North–South problems, the integration of the Soviets into the international system and the changes in economic and military polarity received greater attention."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(politics)
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@4meAndyou Have heard that NWO actually means Nazi World Order.
Ynotisay · M
Could be wrong but my understanding is that it goes back to around WW1 but came in to more play with Bush and Gorbochev. In those cases it was more about delineating between Democracy and other forms of government. But, like so many phrases, it was co-opted in to a conspiracy/enemy type of thing.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@Ynotisay The end of WW1 saw the league of nations formed..Which was the prototype for the UN.. But these were dimplomatically based and suffered commercial conflicts..😷
Wikipedia says

[quote]The phrase "new world order" or similar language was used in the period toward the end of the First World War in relation to Woodrow Wilson's vision for international peace; Wilson called for a League of Nations to prevent aggression and conflict.[/quote]

StudySmarter.us says this
[quote][b]Plan for the New World Order[/b]
According to George Bush Sr, there are three key points to create a New Global World Order:
1 Changing the offensive use of force and moving towards the rule of law.
2 Transforming geopolitics to a collective security agreement.
3 Using international cooperation as the most incredible power.

. . .

[b]The new world order in US history[/b]
After World Wars I and II, political leaders such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill introduced the term "new world order" to global politics to describe a new era of history marked by a profound shift in world political philosophy and the worldwide balance of power. Specifically, it was introduced with Woodrow Wilson's attempt to build a League of Nations that was aimed at avoiding another World War. After the Second World War, it was clear that this had failed, and so the United Nations was established in 1945 to try to increase cooperation and prevent a third world war, in essence, to create a new world order.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Yeah.. The only rider on all this was that Bush saw the rule of law based on the US court system through trade agreements and the $US continuing to reign supreme, giving the US the whip hand in negotiations..😷
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
George Herbert Walker Bush uttered that phrase when he was announcing U.S. presence in the Persian Gulf War.
@cherokeepatti I remember him saying we needed a new world order, and so has every president since, except Trump.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
President George Bush Sr. 1988-92. The most ominous political phrase ever.
@badminton and repeated by every president since, except Trump. That is ominous.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It can be one of two things:

1) As YnotIsay said: the geopolitical order post-1989. George Bush talked about it as a new world order of liberal democracy, free markets and (this was implied) American domination. It hasn't really lasted because the neoliberal model of capitalism has (and will continue to) produce crises. Also, the rise of China means that America is not as dominant as it was. Francis Fukuyama said that the Berlin Wall coming down marked the End of History and many believed him but the man himself has walked this back.

2) A rightwing conspiracy theory that shadowy elites are puppeteers controlling people in secret. This is related to 'Multural Marxist' conspiracies and QNN. In places, it has anti-semetic undertones.

On SW, people who talk about it will likely mean the latter! 🤣
The concept goes back to the 18th century, and politicians began using it after WWI. We all remember GHW Bush using it in a speech, but the term didn't originate with him.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
It was a popular phrase among politicians in the mid-20th century and eventually got picked up by conspiracy kooks to tie to their protocols of the elders of zion nonsense.
It was originally used in politics during the formation of the League of Nations. The idea being that it was the beginning of a new age of diplomacy, since WWI just happened and nobody wanted to go through that again. Well, at least they tried.

Eventually, the conspiracy nuts began associating the "new world order" with biblical prophecy and secret societies. The Illuminati and such.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Professional wrestling
@AthrillatheHunt Don't turn your back on the Wolf Pack! You might wind up in a body bag!
firefall · 61-69, M
George Bush, sr, in ... .1988 I think during his election campaign. Altho he was using it in an approving manner, as you might expect from a prior chieftain of the CIA
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@firefall I remember when he announced U.S. was going to war against Iraq and he uttered that phrase. I was at my sister’s house, she was in the midst of a mental breakdown and I heard him say it on TV when he was speaking.
JimboSaturn · 51-55, M
It is being used in different ways by different people of different intentions like so many expressions in these confusing times.
sounds rather 3rd riech-ish huh?..
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout more like the 4th Reich. Jim Marrs wrote a book about what has been happening under our noses and the book is “Rise of the Fourth Reich”.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
@MrBrownstone Ah, but NWO Hollywood , or NWO Wolfpac?,
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
[media=https://youtu.be/ZK66boFd3Iw]
CestManan · 46-50, F
@FloorGenAdm On some old college station that existed in the late 80's, they had a two hour show on Thursday night where they played metal. I heard the song "Disciples of the watch" on there and I HAD to have the tape.

This will sound dumb but when I called record stores trying to find out which Testament release had that Disciples song and they said, "The new order", I was confused because I thought they meant like the latest release. Like okay but which one is the new order? Anyways...

I hate to say but that particular song "The new order" is my least fav on there.
I think "Trial by fire" is my fav.
CestManan · 46-50, F
@FloorGenAdm And about that college station, during that two hour block they would play Anthrax, Testament, Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Helloween, mostly true metal bands. Once in a while they would sneak in some poser band like Dokken for God knows what reason.

It does not get better than 80's metal. :D
fakable · T
https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/17/magazine/on-language-the-new-new-world-order.html
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@fakable Sadly, I cannot access that. But thank you.
eMortal · M
Catholic Church I think
DrWatson · 70-79, M
@eMortal I don't think so. I am Catholic and I have never heard the phrase in church or read it in any Catholic literature.
Human1000 · M
Contemporary usage -- post end of Cold War -- George Bush Sr.
I'll take a crack at that, because I distinctly remember the speech in which it was mentioned. George Herbert Walker Bush actually coined the phrase. He only mentioned it briefly in his vision of the future, but it was enough to get the paranoid conspiracy crackheads talking. They thought he meant a new global government telling us all what to do.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LordShadowfire Thats correct.. It was the idea of how the world would function with a more united Europe post cold war after the collapse of the soviet union. It died pretty quickly..😷
Elanor · F
George Bush snr then his son used the paraphrase after 9/11 apparently
MethDozer · M
Post WW1 in reference to the creation of a League of Nations.

 
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