While we were busy being horrified by the Harris-Trump race.....

@windinhishair Not a Trump fan here.

@Reason10
Yes. That's exactly how it would work.

You know how firefighters will put out a fire and not charge you? Well, they're not actually getting paid through taxation. They're actually all slaves who are forced to put out fires.

@irishmolly72


So you don't support policies which stabilize farmers' incomes?

Or encouraging industries to stay or come back/start?

Even the student loan program is tilting the scales by even existing; I had a loan from a successor of the original program put in place to encourage students to go into...well, here:

@whowasthatmaskedman I was educated in red state public schools. I didn't rewrite any history. I merely showed the FACTS, whether you Nazis like them or not.

@irishmolly72 Well then, think instead of degrees in modern languages, mathematics, anything from "Trump University" . .

@Reason10 If people are left poorer as a result of higher prices, if large sectors of the economy (such as agriculture) have to be compensated for the damage to their trade, then yes the taxpayer will have to foot the bill.

@whowasthatmaskedman

We have had targeted relief for people willing to teach in geographic areas needing teachers (not sure if this program is still ongoing).

It is typically for people willing to teach basic courses in low-income schools, and a fraction of school debt is forgiven over each of a period of years. It is likely most-used by those with undergraduate degrees; people with further education can often make more in their jobs, etc.

The majority of people affected by debt were scouted / marketed to by for-profit schools who were often just fronts for predatory loans. I believe that they were often certificate programs promising easy job placement and big salaries.

In retrospect, I think most of these representations were "inducing conditions", representations made with an eye to making it more likely that students would take out loans, and that these representations were very much like the US armed forces' recruiters telling people for years that they "could study electronics" while working in tgeee forces...yes, some did, but many more did not.

And I didn't follow the info about accreditation and these universities, but certificate programs are usually not academic in nature, so (I think) are not in the accreditation scheme.

@SomeMichGuy Its the usual two step issue with American problems. First, how to get out of the mess you are in.. Second, how to build a system that doesnt get you back into the same problem. Loan forgiveness is part of the solution. Remembering that educting the next generation to enable the nation to compete and thrive is an investment in the future. The skills the country needs, it should pay for or subsidize heavily..😷

@whowasthatmaskedman I think no one saw that for-profits would be such a deal. Before DJT, the US Dep't of Education was going after these soul-sucking dreamkillers.

But the National Defense Student Loan (NDSL) program was started in the wake of Sputnik's beeping in near-Earth orbit and scaring the "bejesus" out of most Westerners, and was meant to help college students going into what we now call STEM (perhaps without the 'T').

When I attended college some years later, the NDSL was then the National Direct Student Loan program, and was not as narrow in application, though it was for students of families of more modest means (like mine).

Unfortunately, the US' ongoing model of the 19th century one-room schoolhouse in the early years (K-5) is an ongoing drag on our nation's intellectual prowess. We need to have specialist teachers in Math and Science from the earliest years in order to stop hobbling ourselves in that way. And we need this in every area if we are to make students better prepared for high school and college.

@windinhishair Trump worked as President of the United States without taking a salary.

Whatever money he has, he EARNED.

(I know the E word is so abhorrent to you goose stepping welfare staters.)

@Reason10 Apart from the $500m odd he has inherited from, borrowed, or been given by his father 🙃

@HobNoblin That's that Marx Espresso.

@BohemianBabe Totally from Starbucks.

@ViciDraco $35 trillion in national debt isn't just some "function of living in society". You'll see.

@irishmolly72 maybe if we stop cutting taxes on the wealthy we could stop drowning in debt.

@ViciDraco Might as well spit in the ocean. Jacking up taxes only lets the left wing rationalize more profligate government spending.

@TheShanachie If a person holds a public office with a responsibility to govern for the people, they dont have a private life. 😷

@whowasthatmaskedman I’m not referring to someone in public office here.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yep, and it seems contagious ☹

@Roundandroundwego Yeah we're such an awful country that millions flock here illegally. Let's all apologize for how horrible we are to people. 🤓

@irishmolly72 sorry, but people move, less now than in the twentieth century. Most people fleeing socialism in Latin America would love to be employees in an apartheid state. Good murkans arrive every day

@Roundandroundwego You, of course, are free to leave for that utopia that you know is out there somewhere.

@MethDozer I just present the facts, and

@Reason10 Again , no you haven't, you presented nonsense