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trollslayer · 46-50, M
Well, inflation was greater in Europe and most other developed countries. By that I can conclude Biden's economic policies were not a major contributing factor. Also, those at the top seem to be still making money just fine - look at wall street.
As mentioned by Munster - energy costs were part of it - and that is largely out of Biden's control, despite what critics say (keystone pipeline does nothing for energy prices).
More than anything, I think a lot of companies took a hit from the pandemic, and the inflation was a "rebound" to recover some costs and satisfy investors.
As mentioned by Munster - energy costs were part of it - and that is largely out of Biden's control, despite what critics say (keystone pipeline does nothing for energy prices).
More than anything, I think a lot of companies took a hit from the pandemic, and the inflation was a "rebound" to recover some costs and satisfy investors.
BizSuitStacy · M
You can mark the spike in inflation, the moment the ink dried on the EOs Biden signed to shut down the XL pipeline.
BizSuitStacy · M
@CedricH the point is...inflation began long before the war. Again...just ignore facts that don't suit your narrative. Typical lib argument.
CedricH · M
@BizSuitStacy No it didn’t begin long before the war. War preparations were publicised around fall 2021 and what you saw before that was no inordinate oil price growth but a normal response to a previously depressed oil price.
So before you talk about liberal arguments, I‘m actually far from it, where did you get your economics or business degree?
So before you talk about liberal arguments, I‘m actually far from it, where did you get your economics or business degree?
BizSuitStacy · M
@CedricH 😴
Now you wanna have a dick swinging contest to see who has the biggest university?
🤣🤣🤣
Are you Samuel Tyler's alt account.
Unless you have a PhD in Economics from the University of Chicago (and I do not) your academic credentials in economics won't impress me.
Now you wanna have a dick swinging contest to see who has the biggest university?
🤣🤣🤣
Are you Samuel Tyler's alt account.
Unless you have a PhD in Economics from the University of Chicago (and I do not) your academic credentials in economics won't impress me.
Panamared · 70-79, M
Corporate greed
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
I'm not really sure what "Bidenomics" is supposed to mean.
I will say that the massive amount of inflation in the last few years was due to two major things..
...the deficit spending that occurred during Covid and the economic shutdowns. That was under Trump, but had the support of Congress and Americans
The invasion of Ukraine and the sanctions enacted by the West blew up the energy markets and stoked the almost 10% inflation rate seen briefly after the invasion happened.
I will say that the massive amount of inflation in the last few years was due to two major things..
...the deficit spending that occurred during Covid and the economic shutdowns. That was under Trump, but had the support of Congress and Americans
The invasion of Ukraine and the sanctions enacted by the West blew up the energy markets and stoked the almost 10% inflation rate seen briefly after the invasion happened.
Elessar · 26-30, M
@SumKindaMunster I mostly agree with this, you're probably the only conservative leaning person I've seen expressing a rational thought about the matter.
For what concerns the war, even without the sanctions the cost of energy would've risen nonetheless, merely driven by speculation about the fact that Russia could've unilaterally closed the pipelines to Europe at any given time.
The key problem imo is that Europe shouldn't have been as reliant on Russian imports to begin with - especially Germany and here.
For what concerns the war, even without the sanctions the cost of energy would've risen nonetheless, merely driven by speculation about the fact that Russia could've unilaterally closed the pipelines to Europe at any given time.
The key problem imo is that Europe shouldn't have been as reliant on Russian imports to begin with - especially Germany and here.
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CedricH · M
Inflation, always and everywhere, results from too much purchasing power chasing too few goods. Over the past few years, the United States has experienced both. Surging demand amid flagging supply is the best explanation for inflation in any short period in which market power is relatively stable. Corporate greed or increased concentration doesn’t get us the sudden, economy-wide price hikes we saw in 2021. Supply and demand provide a simple framework for breaking down the causes of inflation.
If inflation arises from a positive demand shock (such as the Federal Reserve printing lots of money), prices and real output will rise together. If it is from a negative supply shock (such as the war in Ukraine), prices will rise, but real output will fall. As of May 2022, real output was roughly on trend, whereas prices were well above trend. Since output was on trend, this suggests equally offsetting demand and supply shocks. A more rigorous analysis from Adam Shapiro of the San Francisco Fed found roughly the same demand and supply split up to that point in time.
For a price index, Shapiro uses the Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) price index. For 2022, the overall headline PCE inflation was around 5.2 percent. He breaks down that overall figure into 2.58 percent attributable to supply factors, 1.85 percent to demand factors, and the remaining 0.8 percent being ambiguous. For the year leading up to April 2023, he finds 1.6 percent from supply, 1.89 percent from demand, and 0.86 percent ambiguous.
President Biden’s American Rescue Plan added $1.9 trillion to an economy in 2021 that was estimated to be producing output $400 billion below its output capacity. That meant most of this additional money, injected into the economy, would manifest itself in higher prices, including oil prices. Moreover, given the important role the dollar plays internationally, as a global reserve currency, this large demand shock spilled over into the global economy and contributed to the rise in global commodity prices.
If inflation arises from a positive demand shock (such as the Federal Reserve printing lots of money), prices and real output will rise together. If it is from a negative supply shock (such as the war in Ukraine), prices will rise, but real output will fall. As of May 2022, real output was roughly on trend, whereas prices were well above trend. Since output was on trend, this suggests equally offsetting demand and supply shocks. A more rigorous analysis from Adam Shapiro of the San Francisco Fed found roughly the same demand and supply split up to that point in time.
For a price index, Shapiro uses the Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) price index. For 2022, the overall headline PCE inflation was around 5.2 percent. He breaks down that overall figure into 2.58 percent attributable to supply factors, 1.85 percent to demand factors, and the remaining 0.8 percent being ambiguous. For the year leading up to April 2023, he finds 1.6 percent from supply, 1.89 percent from demand, and 0.86 percent ambiguous.
President Biden’s American Rescue Plan added $1.9 trillion to an economy in 2021 that was estimated to be producing output $400 billion below its output capacity. That meant most of this additional money, injected into the economy, would manifest itself in higher prices, including oil prices. Moreover, given the important role the dollar plays internationally, as a global reserve currency, this large demand shock spilled over into the global economy and contributed to the rise in global commodity prices.
CedricH · M
@SunshineGirl What I‘m saying is not that the Trump era stimulus wasn’t inflationary. But that the demand shock it caused was countering a supply shock which would otherwise have created deflation, mass unemployment and prolonged recession.
That‘s by the way how a stimulus is meant to work. It‘s supposed to encourage business activity and proactive consumer behavior. However, at some point accumulated stimulus spending over a certain (fairly short) period of time will be too much for a domestic economy to absorb. If the spending exceeds the capacity of an economy, every additional Dollar will translate into higher inflation rather than real output growth.
I should add that this isn’t a political argument. I supported the Democratic candidate in 2020 and I will again in 3 weeks from now. I just happen to believe that economic policy consequences shouldn’t be ignored just because they may be unpleasant. That would risk a repeat of the same mistakes or lead to a misdiagnosis of what remedies ought to be used to deal with this macroeconomic phenomenon.
That‘s by the way how a stimulus is meant to work. It‘s supposed to encourage business activity and proactive consumer behavior. However, at some point accumulated stimulus spending over a certain (fairly short) period of time will be too much for a domestic economy to absorb. If the spending exceeds the capacity of an economy, every additional Dollar will translate into higher inflation rather than real output growth.
I should add that this isn’t a political argument. I supported the Democratic candidate in 2020 and I will again in 3 weeks from now. I just happen to believe that economic policy consequences shouldn’t be ignored just because they may be unpleasant. That would risk a repeat of the same mistakes or lead to a misdiagnosis of what remedies ought to be used to deal with this macroeconomic phenomenon.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@CedricH no, inflation came from price gouging in the economy we have.
CedricH · M
@Roundandroundwego That is incorrect.
However, aggregate markups—the more relevant measure for overall inflation—have stayed essentially flat since the start of the recovery. As such, rising markups have not been a main driver of the recent surge and subsequent decline in inflation during the current recovery.
https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2024/05/are-markups-driving-ups-and-downs-of-inflation/
SomeMichGuy · M
We have the strongest economy in the world, including historic levels of employment, increased wages, and inflation back down.
Everyone had inflation, but ours is back under control. Powell/the Fed did their job, and the Biden-Harris Admin did theirs.
Everyone had inflation, but ours is back under control. Powell/the Fed did their job, and the Biden-Harris Admin did theirs.
CedricH · M
@whowasthatmaskedman International trade debt? The US current account deficit is not a problem, the US fiscal deficit, however, is quite a serious one.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@CedricH Yes. The $30 plus Trillion one, that will be over $40 Trillion before Trump is done..😷
CedricH · M
@whowasthatmaskedman indeed.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
"Bidenomics" as I understand it is largely a continuation of taxpayer funded stimulus that began under Trump. Yes, it had some impact on inflation, but fairly insignificant when set alongside the bigger macro-economic pressures that affected most economies at the same time.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl I do take exception to the phrase "taxpayer funded stimulus" although the thrust of your point is accurate. It was in fact debt funded, as it was inmost places. The difference being that America had been funding reduced taxation and subsidies that way for years already before Covid..😷
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@whowasthatmaskedman In economic terms it amounts to the same thing. The debt is underwritten by the government's ability (or otherwise) to raise revenue and interest on the principal appears on the current balance sheet. That is why government borrowing is fundamentally different to that of a private citizen or corporation and should not necessarily be seen as a "bad" thing (so long as there is broad consent for the object of the spending). But I take your point that it was not costed from current taxpayer receipts (nor could it have been, owing to the extraordinary circumstances).
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl We are in total agreement. This is the principle behind Keynsian economics. To smooth out the bumps and potholes of the boom and bust cycle. America does seem to have forgotten the part where the piper eventually gets paid..😷
biandlargeny · 56-60, M
Say one stopping the pipelines has a direct correlation to fuel prices increasing. The massive spending bills then raised prices even.more and have failed to provide any infrastructure upgrades. Our electrical grid is still shit. By this time the increased fuel prices drove of the cos of transporting goods across the country further escalating is prices and inflation.
When Trump left in office inflation was at 1.9%
Bidenomics explodes to o er 9%=before coming down to about 4%.
When Trump left in office inflation was at 1.9%
Bidenomics explodes to o er 9%=before coming down to about 4%.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@biandlargeny economics degree from trump U?
biandlargeny · 56-60, M
@trollslayer facts are facts
JonLosAngeles66 · M
It was a worldwide inflation caused by the economy roaring back as the vaccines quelled the pandemic. Not fake news. Almost universally accepted as fact.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Absolutely! However Trump's deficits (the ones congress created and he signed off on) were a cause of inflation as well. You simply can not print money to cover a deficit without destroying the value of the currency.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy Completely agree. Time to start paying down the debt. Massive cuts are in order. I suggest starting with the DoD and the DoJ Of course funding foreign wars has to stop immediately. No funding for Ukraine or Israel. You guys want to fight then fight on your own dime not on mine. Closing all the military bases outside the US would be a brilliant idea as well.
BizSuitStacy · M
@hippyjoe1955 lots of waste everywhere in the gov't. Elon cut the Twitter/X staffing by 80% with no ill effects. Gov't needs haircuts across the board, and several agencies should be dissolved.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BizSuitStacy Absolutely!!! When I was an officer in the Forces we had a nick name for some fellow officers that wanted a bigger staff and expanded tasks. We called them empire builders. Sadly the forces is just a microcosm of all governments everywhere. Mission creep is job one. It's how you get promoted or more money or more power or all three.
RedBaron · M
If Trump follows through on his promise of more tariffs and spending billions on mass deportations, then inflation will get worse, not better, in the coming years.
RedBaron · M
What does Bidenomics even mean?
If you use the term, you should be able to define it.
If you use the term, you should be able to define it.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Bidenomics is no more a thing than Reaganomics was. Just people trying to bend the rules..😷
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