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Jimbo7 · M
There has never been true socialism
@Thinkerbell "...but...but...communism.has never been implemented in its perfect form...the workers own the means to production...blah, blah, commie blah..."
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22Michelle · 70-79, T
The more I read posts on here / debate with people the more convinced I am that Americans have no idea what Communism, Socialism is. Personally I believe in pragmatism. Some things are best done by yourself. Some by private companies, for profit, and some by Government, for the public good. Any political system followed religiously falls apart after time.
RisingMorningStar7 · 36-40, M
@22Michelle I think sometimes socialism could be beneficial. I may have a skewed understanding of socialism.
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RisingMorningStar7 · 36-40, M
@Reason10 If you cut the aid, America will look far worse. America is is collapsing its trajectory is downward and its picking up speed. The reason why your seeing more Military expenditures is because America is trying to hold to what it has, that's why there're so much brainwashing going on online about joining the military.
WillaKissing · 56-60, M
The old Soviet Union did not have an equality and the hirer up on the food chain you were the more you had. Sorry not buying this at all. One of the biggest caste systems I have ever seen.

Under Stalin millions more were killed than by Hitler and his fanatics, but when you are on the winning end of a long war no one challenges you when they only want peace.
WillaKissing · 56-60, M
@22Michelle All I can say is I want nothing to do with communism or socialism! Nothing!
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@22Michelle The Soviet Union was the PERFECT model of socialism for the world. It showed the logical conclusion to Marx's extremely flawed ideas. The other perfect model of socialism for the world was Nazi Germany, and it's NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

Same concept. Same blind collectivism. Same disastrous results.
Why do you think DemoNazis today share that label?
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Reason10 I think you're insane, and have no idea what you're talking about. There's no point in trying to debate with you. All I can say is seek help.
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Reason10 · 70-79, M
@RisingMorningStar7 Well you're for a rude awaking, because America social media is censored.

This forum is sort of an example of American social media. It is not censored. There are mainstream American capitalist conservatives (which make up most of America) like me. And there are far left Nazi Socialist liberals here, spewing hate and racism. None of that is censored. This place has more respect for the First Amendment than any other spot I can think of.
RisingMorningStar7 · 36-40, M
@Reason10 If you understand fascism fascism makes you belief you have freedom.
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Penny · 46-50, F
idk, communism seems more like keeping everyone down to me and apparently the beginnings of socialism are theft. those people may be insanely wealthy but they got their money fairly. it wouldnt be right to just take it away.
Penny · 46-50, F
@22Michelle i have no idea who the robber barons are
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Penny] @Penny Very easy to Google and research. They include people likeh Andrew Carnegie, John D Rockefeller, etc. Some of these having accumulated vast wealth using very dubious, in some cases criminal, business practices did give large sums to various charities. Carnegie's Gospel of Wealth belueved personal wealth carried a moral obligation, and he despised inherited wealth, believing it should be heavily taxed. Nowadays the term is being used for those in the Tech industries like Zuckerberg, Musk, Bezos, etc. It should be noted that most of these, whilst donating what appears to be large sums it is indeed a very small fraction of their wealth, and some of those donations benefit them personally.
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The entitlements that make social equality possible and likely are enumerated in the UN charter. They're a matter of law. Fascism in the USA is very denislist. You don't know nothing bout no socialism and no reason why it's your responsibility! You don't want that kind of future! War. Y'all love war!
@Reason10 you die younger than most, including Chinese people.
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That's the real issue we have a want for equality but a need for a hierarchy
You’re about the right age to morph into a conservative…
RisingMorningStar7 · 36-40, M
@PatKirby They been saying that for 20 years.
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22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Reason10 Seek help.
malizz · 70-79, M
That's all very well, but if you ever get in power you will find that it corrupts you. Always happens.
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22Michelle · 70-79, T
@MasterLee If it were really equal opportunities the likes of Trump and Musk would be cleaning toilets. Inherited wealth should be against Capitalist principles. Good education for all should be their basic principle.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
@22Michelle Trump worked in his father's construction yards as a kid. He EARNED his status. Brought his father's company to Manhattan. Borrowed a million dollars and had to pay it back. He then created an eight billion dollar international empire. That's not something that is inherited. That is called EARNED,.

You welfare bums might look up the word EARN. Those welfare checks you receive in the mail come from BORROWED funds, which means the taxpayers who will be stuck with the bill haven't even been born yet.

Instead of ENVYING achievers like Musk or Trump, how about you just GET OFF YOUR FAT LAZY ASS AND GET A JOB AND EARN YOUR OWN WAY.


Class envy is a cancer.
22Michelle · 70-79, T
@Reason10 You're missing out the millions his father passed to him for several years to avoid inheritance tax, aka tax evasion.. Some estimates put the figure as high as £400M. Putting that kind of money into New York real estate and anybody would make big money. The facts show however that Trump's money came almost 100% from his father, mainly in very dodgy / illegal tax avoidance / evasion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-tax-avoidance-new-york-times-fred-father-investigation-taxes-dodging-a8565991.html
Communism is all about equal outcome. Everyone is equally poor, except for the elites who live like royalty. Enjoy!
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Then believe in robots
PatKirby · M
@Thinkerbell

Woodn't you know it!🤡
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@PatKirby

Woodn't Bernie know it.

And AOC too. 🤭
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Reason10 · 70-79, M
You will always be disappointed. Here are the rules:
1. Equality will never exist. Humans are not clones. None of us are alike. We are all unique.

2. Communism and Socialism are the ENEMY of any kind of a good life, but they make everyone EQUALLY MISERABLE. Communist/Socialist countries represent the GHETTOS of the world. Feel free to move there at your earliest opportunity.
Reason10 · 70-79, M
The only true example of equality at work is the United States FREE MARKET CAPITALIST system of government. In America, there is EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY.

It is ILLEGAL to discriminate in America based on race, color, national origin, creed, religion, sex. EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.

All other attempts at "equality" have failed miserably. Some much worse than others, especially the Socialist model.

THIS IS SOCIALIST EQUALITY.


 
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