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When people talk about the deaths caused by communism they'll

Willingly ignore capitalist death tolls
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gol979 · 41-45, M
(State sponsored) capitalism and communism are different sides of the same coin
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@gol979 capitalism finances the state, communists advocate of a stateless and classless society
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Guitarman123 communism is about no state. Errrmmm are you sure you know what communism is?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@gol979 yes and researched it fairly thoroughly, especially through the works of Karl marx, friedrich engels and erich fromm
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Guitarman123 again, how is communism stateless when its whole premise is about centralisation of all human paradigms?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@gol979 it's whole premise is about abolishing private property and replacing it with common ownership of the means of production which enables workers to have control over their own destinies and can divide their time between work and leisure more equally
gol979 · 41-45, M
@Guitarman123 so a massive bloated state and also chained to the fraudulent fiat currency scam and central banks. The cult of modern work is also prevalent. You are proposing a paradox.

I will also point put the contradiction of being for a stateless society whilst at the same time being a member of the labour party and pro statism.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@gol979 in a socialist society the state would compromise of delegates voted in by the workers who are paid workers wages and can be called for recall if they abuse their position and once communism is successfully established the state would wither away as it would no longer be needed. Being a member of the labour party is about supporting working class rights and advocating for common ownership of the means of production
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@Guitarman123 communism is about no state. Errrmmm are you sure you know what communism is?


This statement is hilariously clueless from someone who believes right wingers are about "small government."

Meanwhile you want the government to decide who you can love, who and how you can fuck, and force women to have babies, and bail out companies with public funds. And that is just in the last 5 to 10 or so years.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
[media=https://youtu.be/PwU_OR854hs]

I'll sit this Just here. Hope someone takes a minute to think this over.
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@SteelHands Well at least you are honest about being a fascist. Which is just the iron fist of capitalism. It is not an actual "third way."
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@SteelHands that's just capitalism
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@Guitarman123 The correct use of capitalism isn't supposed to pay all its dividends as if investors were the only ones that built the industry in question.

Workers earn a greater part and shares are supposed to be included in wages but the dsmb asx union / management / government threesome locked out the worker from profits, votes, and more importantly, dedicated people that wouldn't have sold us out to foreign interests.

It's not the same. The liars that taught you not to read WEALTH OF NATIONS sold us out.
@SteelHands Lol. NIce try. You proved you have never read that book or anything else on economics.

This 3rd way shit was debunked 80 years ago.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow knock it off please. Fascists are either Government authoritarians working hand in hands with kleptocratic capitalists or useful idiot member of crowds who think they know something.

I assure you. I'll have none of that.
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SteelHands · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow products of propaganda ought to use the word *debunked* more sparingly.

At least until they unpile all the dog dirt they're selling as caviar to each other.
@SteelHands No, facts. And you seem to be so ignorant on the subject you don't even seem aware you are pushing fascism.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
True corporatism is lasses faire until the workers interests are being abused and profit comes in at number 3, not number one. And unlike socialism it must benefit both the workers and society at large, not the poliburo.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Today's so called capitalists use the word corporatism but violate the first law of corporatism, they cause death, just like socialism just not as bad.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
Coporal=the body. The body of workers, the body of society, the body of mankind at large.

Get a dictionary.
@SteelHands Wrong. Corporatism is literally a synonym for fascism.

"Fascism should be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."


Giovanni Gentile. Sorry to say you are wrong.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@SteelHands was actually the big bosses /capitalists who run the companies who've stopped workers from earning better wages as for the boss to earn a greater profit they pay theirs employees less money whilst making them work longer hours. Governments support the free market and de regulating it which gives the capitalist free reign to exploit the workers in their private property which Adam Smith certainly never advocated for and Karl marx greatly criticised the system in das kapital where he accurately explains the contradictions of capitalism and how its sole purpose is to benefit those at the top and keep the majority of society down in the dirt
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You're accusations about a Christian economic theory are as absurd as the propaganda that communist loving FDR peddled.