How can anarcho capitalism be a thing?

@gol979 You have already proven repeatedly you have no idea how economics or politics work.

Capitalism by definition cannot exist without the state to enforce it.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow please elaborate

@gol979 Well lets start simple. Have fun with your capitalism when contracts are totally unenforceable.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow eh? So if i grow apples and want to sell them to you i need a contract? I imagine this will come down to how you view your fellow humans ie trust

@gol979 You are going to base an entire economic system on the honour system? 🤣 You just proved PT Barnum right.

And 99% of a modern economy has nothing to do with small scale hypothetical like that.

And historically their has only been two or maybe 3 substitutes that have replaced the state in cases where this was the economic system in place.


1. Organized crime.

2. Warlords

3. Theocracy.

@gol979 Also your hypothetical is not even capitalism.

@gol979 How do you want to prevent monopolisation? Or the abolition of social structures since under a free market competition and profit come before human well being?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you brought up contracts that have to be enforced by the state. Im just saying that you dont need the state to transact or steal from you via multiple taxes

@gol979 Ah, had to get the "taxation is theft" cliche out there.


And capitalism is not random transactions. So your premise falls apart because you don't even understand what capitalism is.

@Gloomy local production and trade. Thats reductive for sure but at its core this way of living will solve many of the current systems problems.

Hows the curtailing of monopolies going now?

@gol979 You are talking about high school level text book trade and mercantilism. None of that is capitalism.


You can't fix capitalism with capitalism. Capitalism creates monopolies. The entire point of the game was to teach kids that.

Expecting capitalism to fix itself is like expecting a king to fix absolute monarchy.

It is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

@gol979
That is not and would not work under capitalism. Are you aware what you propose is closer to anarcho communalism/communism?

Not going well but we do live in a capitalist system. It's not supposed to work.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow whats capitalism then? You have on!y mentioned contracts......is it contractual trading?

@gol979 Capitalism is an economic system designed to benefit capitalists. It was just assumed it would rise all boats. Unfortunately 350 years of history proved that was a lie.

Capitalists are people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos. The entire business world works on contracts. You still have yet to offer any explanation as to how you will magically enforce any contracts written or otherwise with no state.

@Gloomy oh jeez another anarcho-communist. That is an oxymoron. They are mutually exclusive. Water and oil.

Local production and trade worked 1000s of years.

@gol979 Capitalism is a socio-economic system based especially on private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of the labor force.

@gol979 Umm no. Anarcho capitalism is an oxymoron.

Good job proving you don't know what anarchism or communism are too.

Again, local trade is not capitalism and it has never in 1000 years functioned in a vacuum outside of a state apparatus.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow yes i have. You produce something and sell it to me. No contract needed.

Elon and jeffy are state sponsored parasites. Not a chance these people/corporations would amass the amount of wealth and power without the help of the state and apparatus

@gol979 I'm not one of them but I would disagree that it is mutually exclusive.

Could you give some examples of it working for thousands of years? You mean under feudalism? Or in the ancient slaveholder societies?

@gol979 Again. that is not capitalism. Random exchanges are not capitalism. And basing an economic system on just hoping everyone is nice is silly.


They are capitalists. The people who the system you support exists to benefit.

And you are wrong about that. They absolutely would. The difference is they would use the local mafia or private army to do it. Se the drug cartels for an example of how that would look.

@Gloomy are they the only 2 options lol?

Pre "civilsation". Local tribes had areas where they stored tools to be collectively used etc. If you bed your ideas in the mainstream story of history then you will have a skewed view of the world

@gol979 People like Musk are a direct product of capitalism and have existed as long as capitalism.
It works through the exploitation of workers and the accumulation of wealth

@gol979 They are the only two options and maybe the church that actually existed historically.


And now you writing historical fiction to make an argument that we should what? Go back to the stone age?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow same as big pharma. This current state controlled capitalism has much in common with mafia/drug cartel set ups

@Gloomy Gol has no idea what capitalism is so this is kind of pointless. He thinks any random exchange of goods at any point in history is capitalism.