Trump is cautious about bringing in Muslim refugees, as he said the refugees are like a Trojan Horse

@jagged His immigration plan I agree with to a degree. I do not agree on banning Muslims, but I do agree we need to stop and think and know who we are bringing in. I don't think we are doing a decent job now. Also I like his overall stand on the issue more than Hillary's position. HRC is an open borders person. Trump is a sealed borders person. I agree with sealed controlled borders, not open. So it's Trump on that issue.

The Warren stuff is juvenile. Agreed. But on my list of things, it rates WAY down at the bottom. Plus I think Warren scammed the system and got free school when she should not have. Too many scammers in politics. She's one. So let him bash her, I don't care.

I don't see him bad on women's issues at all. I'm not even sure where that comes from. Just because he had had arguments with Rosy O'Donnel (I'd fight with that bitch too) and Megan Kelly? Maybe I'm missing something. Educate me.

On the economy, he shines in my opinion. The corporate tax rate has more to do with job loss than anything. He'll get it in line with the rest of the world. Too much cash out of the country. Repatriate it. HUUUGE (<---Trump joke) stimulus and immediate infusion of tax revenue. This will immediately create jobs. You just need to offer an incentive to bring it in, like maybe a 10% rate instead of 35%. Imagine a trillion dollars of capital coming in. This idea was first floated by Dennis Kucinich of all people.

I believe he and Sanders are both right on terrible trade deals. I believe Trump is potentially far better at negotiating deals than any president we've ever had. Obama is horrible. Hillary... can you say "reset button"? Trump wins this issue hands down. No question things will improve in that area which will help to rebuild the decimated middle class.

Justice Sotomayer stated in her senate confirmation hearing that her ethnicity and her gender would influence her decisions. So with Trump wanting a wall, and that judge being not only of Mexican origin but also affiliated with LaRaza, maybe he has a point. After all, the guy did unseal documents that were previously sealed until after the trial as they should have been. Like him or not, he deserves a fair trial. Also, this issue is also way down on my list. I really could care less. Maybe that makes me a jerk.

In summary, I care about these things most and I believe Trump has better positions on them than HRC. #1-economy #2-trade policy #3-border security #4-fight against worldwide radical Islamic terrorism. The rest is just noise to me.

Thanks for your comments Jagged.

All I know is Hillary is not a right choice for USA!

@pill I don't agree with everything Trump says. He's not my hero. I do however, agree with a number of things including a rational approach to immigration and following the laws we have currently established. You are right, you won't change my mind. But I'd like to understand the opposing view. I honestly don't right now because there never seems to be a rational discussion regarding it.

The bigotry line always seems to come out as does the evil rhetoric. You see, I don't see Trump as evil because he wants to control immigration. I do as well. And I'm certainly not a bigot. Those who try to portray me as such are doing so out of desperation because they can't abide a view different than their own.

Actually, if we could just follow the laws everything would work. But Obama and Bush before him never have. And I believe Hillary will completely disregard the law (not a big stretch for her) and open the borders entirely.

On a side note. I was amazed after reading an article recently written by Bernie Sanders. He was right (in my view) about many things. I was amazed. But I hate the solutions he proposed. I believe Trump has identified many of the same things I read about from Bernie, but with solutions that are based on a capitalist approach which I favor.

I have Muslim friends and you know what they all had in common, the ones that came here from other countries. They respectfully submitted their applications, paperwork,background checks, references and other requirements and waited their turn to come here and they were sponsored by someone already living here who was a resident, their sponsor promised in writing that the applicant would be independent and not require government monetary assistance to reside here. And they all also are an asset to this country and not expecting handouts, they've worked and made something with their lives and not felt entitled to handouts or whatever...makes a happier person if they can contribute something when they get here.

Yes, Dave I understand that. I agree with you that everyone entering this country needs to be checked...and I do believe that the one-world dictator creators are creating a Trojan horse to use against the patriots in this country. And even if the majority aren't actively planning some sort of attack doesn't mean it's all honkey-dorey....that's too many people who need to assimilate to this country's laws and customs and understand how to get around in society...

@Dave The terrorists are patient. Years went by after the first World Trade Center bombing until they calmly planned the next. Lessons were not learned then, and lessons are not being learned now. The warning signs are all around, but the PC crowd sees the identifiers of these signs as the real evil. Just like they did back in the mid 90's.

1961dave I think a good counter terrorism force is vital in this day and age and also a good intelligence system to stop these people when they enter the country before they have any chance to get lost in the background and have chance to plan any nasty terrorist acts but I think we also after to be careful as this terrorist threat and refugee intake is in a danger of starting a panic granted we need to be visual and on our guard but it may cause tension among some citizen in this county thinking all refugee are here to do terrorist acts and that is totally misguided some are here through pure misfortune in there country and should not all be tarred as terrorist suspects

Pill, don't you have any views of your own? Do you really think someone is going to cut and paste to see that nasty Rachael Maddow? That's like asking you to tune into Hannity to find out what's really going on. Neither of whom I'm fan. You're a smarter person than that. I know it. I'm more interested in hearing YOUR view based on the input you've gathered from whatever source.

Dave, I think she does no see this as a black and white issue. If you read through her notes, while you may not agree, she does bring about reasoned argument for her position. I don't think she likes me particular because I have a different view. I find many on the left are intolerant of opposing views. But it doesn't matter to me. I do my best to the opposing side without a bash session. As soon as someone crosses the line with nasty insults, I block them. Oconnor has not. She has had strong opinions and has become upset, but keeps it respectable. I welcome that sort of discussion.

I agree with Jagged. I don't believe Hillary is all about the money. She has that scam worked out pretty well already. It's power that drives her.

Well how about some options in the poll like - he is wrong,he wants to win an election etc etc. Seems like it's a given that he is right and it's not a debatable issue at all.
Well good that almost all polls are showing that a majority are rejecting his views and can see right through his games.

1961dave ok that's fair enough you are entitled to your opinion and you vote whoever you please I respect that but this question has been a good debating point and enjoyed the exchange of views granted I will never agree with you over trump but thank you any way

No, 1961dave. We don't.

The people that oppose Trump's call to ban Muslim refugees are not evil nor are they just doing what they're what their leaders tell them to (how ironic, coming from you.) They just have enough sense not to stoop to Islam's level of intolerance and give up an essential liberty in this country for fear of one religion.

And for the record, it's not just ISIS supporters who committing the violent crimes in Europe but Muslims who practice Sharia law. Only a small percentage of Muslims openly support ISIS, it's the majority of Muslims who practice Sharia law that are the problem.

Whether or not women are getting raped by people is sort of a second part of the real story. It's the natural result of choosing not to uphold the laws on the books. The issue is... the world does not have the right to come to America. We have the right and obligation to know who is coming in and choose based on what's best for the American people who should be allowed in. I believe this is the primary reason the Brexit vote went the way it did.

1961dave I am sorry to say and I know now you are going to disagree with my comment but I think trumps handling of the refugee crisis / terrorist issue has not helped by his comments these are the things that stoke up the hatred and suspicion towards these poor unfortunate people

jaggedlittlepill quiet agree you cannot tar everybody with the same brush because of the action of the very small minority of a group I have said this for long enough

Dave, this is a conversation. And even though jaggedpill is a bit riled up, I see her as a thoughtful person with a view that, while it may differ from mine, has been ascertained from her own investigation into these various subjects. I respect it and am interested in finding out why she feels the way she does. Not reading a blog post from some hack one sided pundit. On either side.

Well said carpediem, this is a conversation!

Trump is not evil because he wants to control immigration. That was never a reason of him being evil. It is the reasoning behind it that is evil. You want to control immigration because you want the country to be safe. I agree...there needs to be more control on who comes into our country. I do not believe "banning all muslims" is going to keep ISIS out. They are already here and they are not just muslims..as we have witnessed, even our own people have become ISIS affiliated and ready to carry out heinous acts.. i do not disagree that something needs to be done and we have to figure that out.

Trump just wants to ban everyone of any faith or race or nationality he deems to be "bad"...there is a difference. If his motives are not truly the same as the motives you have for the same agenda then maybe that needs to be questioned. His motives and end agenda are the issue, not the idea of controlling immigration.

@Jaggedlittelpill I agree. Banning all Muslims is not the best solution. However, I feel we need to get back to a method where Muslims, or anyone else, come into this country on a fair platform and for good reasons. I do NOT think we need to open the borders to anyone. There should be, and are currently, established methods that NO ONE is willing to discuss without being labeled one of many nasty names.

Thanks for your comments. See, we start with differing views, but found common ground pretty quickly. If only the rest of the damned country could do that. I blame the jerk-off politicians with agendas and one pundits who look for TV ratings. If it were left to you and I, we'd have this mess worked out in a jiffy. 🙂

I certainly see what you're saying carpediem

@Patti I have similar Muslim associates. The key element is, they come here legally through normal channels, and most importantly, they assimilate and have a desire to be Americans. They are wonderful people. Not true with many of the refugees. They retain a desire to live under Sharia law like the crap hole they were unwilling to fight for.

@jagged You say Trump is evil. Why? For voicing a view that many have throughout the world? Intolerance is being exhibited by more anti-Trump people than pro. There is a segment of Americans, mainly on the left side of center, that are unwilling to discuss the possibility that perhaps some of the extreme radical terror happening around the world could be primarily focused on individuals sharing a particular ideology. They will defend these people, make excuses for their actions, and pretend the issues don't exist.

You know 1961dave, I usually try to ignore your ignorant posts but it's crap like this that I just cannot remain silent to.

Yes, Islam is a violent and intolerant religion and Muslims do have a problem with violence, especially towards women. But banning them from entering our nation is not the way to handle it. How would that even work, anyway? They gonna start questioning every immigrant that enters the US on their religion? And you realize any Muslim could easily lie about their religion, right?

"What do you call your God?"
"Jesus."
"Welcome to America!"

"What do you call your God?"
"Yahweh."
"Welcome to America!"

"What do you call your God?"
"Allah."
"Sorry, you're not allowed here."
"Did I say Allah? I meant uh... Ganesha!"
"Oh. Well welcome to America then!"

And there are already over 3 million Muslims in the US already! What about them? Would they become second-class citizens in the US; deported even? How would we do that, how much would it cost? Or do we leave them as they are and just prevent more from entering? What sense would that make?! "No Muslims allowed! Unless you're already here, then you're okay." You see, these are all things that I'll bet you don't even consider for a second. How would it work? It wouldn't!

But disregarding the total implausibility of actually preventing Muslims from entering the US, have you forgotten about the First Amendment? Freedom of religion? If we're gonna start banning people based on their religion from our country then we are completely giving up our values as a free nation in fear of Islam.

To quote Benjamin Franklin. "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." We may not be giving up our own liberties but denying others theirs is just as bad. We have to show people from more primitive societies that we're better than that. That Western civilization is superior and has a lot more freedoms than the East. Otherwise, we're not any better than they are!

I'm not saying we should tolerate Islam's intolerance and bend over backwards like Europe is doing. I'm saying if Muslims want to come to our country then they need to assimilate to our culture, not the other way around. We need to acknowledge their violent and intolerant beliefs and make them adapt to our society, letting them know that such ways have no place here. If they can't do that then they can still stay in our country, in a prison cell.

Banning a specific group of people from entering the nation is blatant fascism. It's not protecting the American people, it's being a complete coward and inciting fear and hatred among the masses. All Trump's proposal to ban Muslims is is rhetoric; he's just feeding off of the fear and ignorance of people like you to win your support knowing you will blindly follow his every word. And you're going on about others being incapable of thinking for themselves?

You know, they always said this country would end up abandoning its values as a free nation in favor of fascist subjugation and it looks like it's finally happening. And people like you are welcoming it with open arms.

1961dave sorry but who are you replying to here it would be helpful if you did as I do and write the name of the person to whom the post is meant for to save any confusion

You are as clueless as Trump and making the same overgeneralizations

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/world/europe/norway-offers-migrants-a-lesson-in-how-to-treat-women.html

So Oconnor, you're trying to say the refugees have not been a big problem?

http://www.allenbwest.com/ashleyedwardson/mainstream-media-wont-tell-you-why-sweden-is-now-rape-capital-of-the-west

Absolutely, Smiler. ISIS does terrible things, but that doesn't mean they're not capable of some thought. I think the reason there are not terrorist attacks from ISIS members that slipped in to countries yet is they want to get lots of them in America first. I think especially if Hillary gets in and opens the flood gates there is going to be an incredible amount of terrorism throughout the world.

I agree Smiler, if they manage to slip in it's terrible for most of the refugees, most of whom I would bet are decent people. If terrible acts are committed by those who slip by, the citizenry will start to take it out on all of the refugees.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/10/germans-slam-rapefugees-in-wake-of-mass-sexual-attack/

Dave, no argument from me on good versus bad Muslims. And I agree you have made yourself perfectly clear. I'll let her speak for herself. I was just offering my own conclusions from previous interactions, not defending her.

I cannot disagree with the things you said @carpediem...but I do not see Trump doing those things,truly.

I wonder though...is his Immigration stance the reason you would vote for him? This question is for you also @1961dave

What about his ideas and views on Healthcare? Women's issues...and how he behaves toward women? The Economy?

Are the comments he makes truly that dismissable? Is this what we want the face of America to be?

These are serious questions. He calls Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas. Is that really funny? Acceptable?If so why?

He claims a Mexican judge has biased against him..because he is Mexican...and Trump is aware of his own statements so he knows he has said horrible things about Mexican people ..so..OF COURSE a Mexican judge would be biased....

Now these are just a few examples of things I have seen that make me cringe...

Yes , the media is responsible for pushing agendas. Plastering the "newsworthy juice" all over the place all the time...but it is hard to dismiss these things. They are only sniplets..but they are huge. The are not things to be ignored.

@BigA Whaaat? Maybe my thought process is limited too because I have no clue what you are talking about. Any substance to your thoughts... or just bashing the initiator of this thread because you don't like his message?

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7557/germany-rape-migrants-crisis

It's true carpediem, despite people acting as if Trump can't care because he has money, Bill and Hill are worth hundreds of millions.

Carver it actually seems like we have SOME common ground, maybe not much, but I thought it was none!

Smiler, these refugees are not in America, not many of them have made it here yet, it's happening in other countries.

1961dave ok where ever these terrible acts are been perpetrated the culprits should be caught and feel the full power of the countries judicial system

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/09/2736678/

That's right carpediem, unfortunately the people that support Hillary can't see the obvious, only what they're told by Democrats.

1961 to which of the two posts I have made is your reply to please

jaggedlittlepill as I said before trump has stoked up the suspicion and hatred with his remarks about muslims /isis terrorists it has caused a kneejerk reaction again I say you cannot label all ethnic groups as terrorist because of a small minority and the refugee crisis is caused by problems in there country they are trying to escape from not too come too another country to cause terrorist acts where is that mans compassion

1961dave no I think you misunderstood my post it may of been the way I put it [sorry for that ]but what i am saying is if isis members are coming into the uk under the proviso of refugees to commit acts of terrorism against American interests in the uk what I am saying to you is that these isis members will not give a toss if there attack on an American interest kills and injures british citizens too

Your options for the poll shows how limited your thought process is... Just like Trump.

@carpediem yes i have expressed them many times. 1961dave seems to not like my views so he continues to make generalizations such as this question ....

He did the same last night and then deleted the post after being called out for deleting my comments.

I dont need to keep stating my views or opinions. What i have to say is not going to change your mind. It does not matter what evidence is given the people who support trump never open their minds enough to see what other people are trying to tell them. The fact is Trump shows how evil he is every day when he opens his mouth. If you cannot see it then you obviously have the same views and ideas as he does and think what he says is ok ...i cannot change that.

Smiler ?

lol, you're as nice as I thought you were Carver!