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Do criminals in any "gun free" nations still find ways of getting and using weapons?

This is a serious question as I have zero knowledge on the subject in other nations being I do not live there.
GlassDog · 46-50, M
From experience, they use knives and screwdrivers, if anything. Only really a threat at short range. The idea that outlawing guns will empower the criminals is not something that really happens.

Criminals here don't want to use guns because of the extended prison sentence of "armed" robbery. Why serve ten years just for taking some money when you can attempt the same thing without a gun and not get a sentence like you've murdered someone?

The upshot is that people don't get killed quite so often.
katielass · F
@GlassDog: I don't know, I think it's a cultural thing. Guns have always been in our hands, heads and hearts. Not everyone you understand but it's cultural. I would like to see laws that add say 20 years to any sentence you get for committing a crime. That might seem extreme but extreme is what is needed. The idea is to make someone think before they use a gun to rob the 7-11. WOW an extra 20 years, not worth it. So with no gun, less chance the clerk will be killed. Won't work every time but I think it would save a significant number of lives. At the least, it's worth a try. You'd think someone would have thought of that, and they have, but its been ejected because its "too harsh".
GlassDog · 46-50, M
@katielass: I guess not only cultural but constitutional. That can be a very hard thing to back away from when it is so deep-rooted.

I have to admit, my biggest concern about guns isn't criminality but mental health. It's said that 25% of people have a mental health issue which can impair judgement. I've always held the opinion that to own a weapon that can so easily end life, people should have a psychological evaluation first.

Of course, this is reinforced somewhat now because the person I was closest to on the site was murdered by her husband last year and he then shot himself, leaving a small child who saw it all happen and who now has to live with it. They were both ex-military and some would argue this is enough to attest to their safety around guns. It's really not, though.
katielass · F
@GlassDog: Yes, there is the constitutional right, so ingrained in us. Although there are those who desperately want to curtail and even take that right away from us. I also have the same concerns about mental health but as you surely know you can be perfectly sane and then suffer severe depression. Example, me. I used to own a gun but when my hubby suffered from severe clinical depression about 10 years ago I got rid of it because I was afraid I'd come home one day and find he had used it to take his life. Not everyone has someone who can or will remove the gun. And there can be an argument made that if someone wants to take their life they don't have to use a gun, there are so many other ways. But a gun is quick. I'm sorry to hear about your friend, truly I am.
Pineapple · 100+, F
In the U.K. Guns aren't obtainable or legal like in the USA for example. Gun crime is very rare here because guns are so unobtainable to most people... but if you know the "right" people, you could get your hands on one. I personally could get hold of a gun if I wanted one, though it would be highly illegal.
SW-User
you can obtain them but you need a licence.
katielass · F
It's highly illegal to kill people too but that doesn't seem to bother killers.
antonioio · 70-79, M
You don't have an expert, If you can add one and one, you should know the answer,
The more guns that are around the more people are going to get shot,
You see that from the country's who don't have them
katielass · F
It isn't that simple. It's also cultural.
antonioio · 70-79, M
Cultural is something that come from old nations not new ones
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
Yeah, there have been serious issues in countries with strict weapons control laws stopping organized criminals from getting weapons. It stops the more small time criminals from getting their mitts on anything but borders are too difficult to secure to stop those who are really determined to get something to kill people with. And some criminal organizations get real inventive with their methods, too, so they don't need things that would qualify as weapons according to the law.

The only country that has had really good success with restricting weapons is Australia, and that's an incredibly unique situation where there are very few poorly controlled internal regions that are friendly to human life(most of central Australia is pretty uncontrolled but will kill the average human in a matter of mere minutes if you're unlucky, hours if you're lucky) and no land borders with any other countries as well as a large, open and fairly uncontested maritime region surrounding it.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
Guns are simply tools, if people want to kill each other then they'll find the tools to do it. It's not a big surprise that in countries with more guns you end up with more gun deaths, that's just math. The US's violence problem has much less to do with guns than it does with education, culture and criminal reform rates.
Ynotisay · M
@UndeadPrivateer: My opinion is different. I believe the U.S. problem has to do with the fact that we have a lot of gutless people who need to live in fear and will support those who reiterate that belief.
UndeadPrivateer · 31-35, M
@Ynotisay: Well, that sure sounds like a problem of education, culture and criminal reform to me. Sounds like we're in agreement.
They just don't use guns. Which means they don't have school/Mall shootings.
THEBIGM · 61-69, M
In Australia, a nation of 25 million, there have been 3 mass shooting in the last 6 years
In the UK, 12 dead in the Cambria shootings in a total gun ban nation

Same period in the US with a population of 350 million was 29 mass shootings

similar ratios
Look it up, they have shootings there too
@THEBIGM: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant..... there's roughly 50 gun related murders in the uk annually. It took me 2 minutes to find that out on google so don't ask me to prove it because you can just search it yourself.... that first bit I just copied off the BBC news site
Edit: I didn't mean to come across so bitchy there lolz😂
Yeah gang members have guns but they only ever use them on eachother
Ynotisay · M
Are you aware that there are no 'gun free' nations?
A battery of tests are required to get a gun in Japan. They have a .06 death rate by gun per 100,000 people. The country with the most guns per capita, the Unites States, (more than twice the guns per capita than any other country)is at around 11.
THEBIGM · 61-69, M
Less than 1 person per 1000 is permitted to own a gun in Japan so that rate seems about right
112 per thousand in the US
Now look at Central America and the gun death rates there and tell me all about how we should open our borders and give up our guns
I'm no gun freak but a realist. If you lived in a shitty neighborhood (not an island) would you leave your doors and windows open and throw away your protections?
Ynotisay · M
@THEBIGM: No. It's 112 guns per 100 people in the United States.

And it's not about being permitted to have a gun in Japan. You can't have pistols but you can have other weapons. It's what a gun owner has to go through before they're given a permit that keeps them out of the hands of anyone who wants to walk in to a store and purchase a weapon.

You lost me on the open border stuff dude. Believe it or not, it's much safer in Mexico when it comes to gun deaths.

And "give up your guns?' Dude...you can't name ONE politician who has EVER said that Americans should 'give up their guns." Stop. Just stop.

Sorry dude. I don't get the fear thing. It doesn't drive me. And I live in a huge city where REAL gun violence takes place.
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Niburu · 56-60, M
And how exactly would one get rid of all the guns in the US?
We're not going to hand them over or register them.
They tried that in NY state a few years ago with their SAFE Act.
95% non-compliance, and that's in gun hating NY.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
In Britain, they do but its mostly the top end criminals who have fire-arms. Gangs have knives, which is a less efficient way of killing people. This partly explains why European countries have lower murder rates.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
They do. And i'm ashamed to say it's often service personnel who bring illegal weaponry into the country and sell them on.
SW-User
Everyone has knives and cars. If you want to kill then it's not difficult to find a way.
Gun violence is a symptom of an overall crime problem in the US.
katielass · F
There have been numerous gun shootings related to terrorism. I'm referring in particular to the incident at a concert, I believe it was, several years ago. But I believe they are using trucks now because it is probably either harder to get the guns or easier for the authorities to find out you have them.
Yes if a criminal wants a gun they will get one. Just as easily as breaking any other law.

If you want concrete numbers I'm afraid you're out of luck. Those type of things aren't tracked until the criminal has been caught.
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Ynotisay · M
You do know sir that there isn't ONE FREAKING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES where guns are banned, right?
Side note. The states with the highest level of gun deaths are all less populated than those with the big cities.
Of course. It's still a smaller number than in the U.S. no matter how you spin it, though.

 
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