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This is more than an ugly story. It is more like the “rest of the story".

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railroad owns all of the rail lines in the US connecting to western Canada. They haul 80%+ of the crude oil from Canada to the Midwest and Texas, or charge other short line railroads a fee to use BNSF tracks.

BNSF charges $30 per barrel to haul the oil. The proposed "Keystone pipeline" would cost $10 per barrel according to the US State Department's own estimates and perhaps a lower amount as reflected in other estimates.

BNSF is owned by Berkshire-Hathaway whose chairman is Warren Buffett. In the last 2 election cycles, Buffett gave extensively to Democrat causes and candidates, particularly Obama in 2012. He also bundled and hosted numerous fundraisers for Obama. If anyone believes the pipeline isn't being blocked by Obama on Buffett's behalf, you need to seek immediate medication. On this basis, Buffett could stand to lose $2 Billion a year if the Keystone pipeline goes in and he makes the same amount every year it's delayed. Is this "crony capitalism" at its finest or what?
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Carla · 61-69, F
Yeah, yeah...
Look into the keystone xl and koch.
You won't, but you should.
acpguy · C
Very true. I worked for a major natural gas pipeline back in the 80's to 2000. Around 1990 our company had plans to build a large coal slurry pipeline from ND to Texas which would haul coal slurry and water to Texas when Texas was in a severe drought, the cost of hauling coal this way was very low cost and would have fed electrical plants with clean coal for electrical production needed in California, NM and Texas. It was shot down by the dimocrats and the railroad as they claimed it would harm the environment yet it was safer than by rail, less cost, required less fuel and air pollution proven by thorough studies.
10 years later our company won a large legal settlement against the railroads as it was proven that they falsified documents and paid,/ bribed senators, representatives and others to vote against this. Rail roads have a far worse record of causing oil spills from derailments, killing hundreds of people and polluting water with millions of gallons of spilled oil and fuels than pipeline ruptures.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I understand the basic point but how is Barak Obama blocking building the pipeline?

I'd have thought the oil companies have enough political clout to at least match that of the railway company; and a pipeline woukd be in their interest - and I don't suppose they'd be in a hurry to match their reduction in crude-oil transport costs with a pro-rata cut in the derivatives' sales-prices.

Given that almost all American goods trains are Diesel-hauled, I wonder if BNSF buys the fuel from the same oil companies whose petroleum it transports. Presumably at a discount? It seems to create a peculiar sort of circular accounting!
acpguy · C
@ArishMell Railroads have been bribing and buying politicians since the 1800's in the USA and have made millions of dollars for many that were already multi-millionaires. Modern steel pipelines have not been in existence near that long so have not had the established backing of politicians or the deep pockets of the railroads and investment companies. Not only that, but our children have also been brainwashed by liberal controlled school systems and poorly educated so-called environmentalists.
How about focusing on moving away from oil? And fixing your outdated infrastructure.

And don't get me started on your outdated banking systems 🤭
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic you do realize that oil is used for much more than an energy source don't you?

our entire civilization depends on it, and there is no replacement for it.

Of course, you're more than welcome to swear off all modern technology and go live in a cave, wearing weeds for clothes, and eating dirt...🤷
@wildbill83 Well if the man from the internet says so it must be true 🤷

Enjoy coal and bank charges on domestic transfers I guess 😅
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@wildbill83 Yes, I used it to silence a squeak in our backdoor 🙋
It would be 1/3 cheaper to build and use the keystone pipeline.
But Warren buffet (who owns the trains) owns just enough politicians to keep the Choo choos going..

Trump just forced Canada to build it to avoid 50% tarrifs
JSul3 · 70-79
Sport, we've been down this road many times.
The Keystone pipeline is alive and well....and still leaking in spots.

What's not happening is the Keystone XL pipeline that was to be run through a clean water aquifer.

No sane person would place a clean water aquifer at risk for any pipeline, especially one that would be running toxic tar sand crud that would be used for export to foreign countries, and of no value to US consumers.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-xl-pipeline
GoFish · 41-45, F
dirty dealing greedy crooks eh? typical
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
Democrats have been curtailing the use of reliable, nuclear power for decades...getting kickbacks from all these "non-profit" greenie/environmental organizations is just a coincidence I'm sure...
JSul3 · 70-79
@sunsporter1649

Do you have a source for this photo?

Wind farms in cold climates often utilize internal blade heating elements, hot air circulation systems, or specialized anti-icing surface coatings to prevent buildup.
JSul3 · 70-79
@wildbill83 So you can't accept documented reports.
Got it.

I'm in Texas and are very familiar with wind and solar energy that support our power grid here.

Our fine governor has failed to have the necessary maintenance required to keep the grid stable....then screams against green energy, even though wind and solar support the grid.

Bye, bye!
JSul3 · 70-79
@wildbill83

Nuclear energy ranks alongside wind and solar as one of the safest and cleanest methods to generate power.

Perhaps Iran can teach us how to use nuclear energy to our benefit.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
So this wholly due to entrenched financial interests? Nothing to do with well publicised environmental and social concerns, or the inevitable decline of a finite resource?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Can't have the demonocrats leading donor losing money now, can we

 
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