@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Even I, a clueless dud when it comes to warfighting, would not send in any warship let alone a carrier. We can't fight this war because our weapons are designed for all out war with an equally matched super-power. We are fighting ants here using ten ton hammers. The ants are crawling up our pants and biting our balls.

@sree251 Actually this war and Ukraine and the GWOT have proven American weapons are not even effective against regional, near peer or, vastly overmatched opponents.

American Weapons are for posturing and making executives wealthy and not fighting.

@sree251 Trump and Hegseth also don't understand that it is not 1942. Iran doesn't need a fleet to implement a blockade of a strait 20 miles across.

He'll basic tube artillery can hit targets in a choke point that narrow.

@fanuc2013 The US can tidy up it's own stupid mess, and maybe then compensate the countries that it's actions have caused financial harm to.

@Heartlander
Tell that to the one million Russians who died in facing down the Germans at Stalingrad. Tell it to the one million Vietcong fighters who died facing down Americans in Vietnam.

@sree251 Those million that you refer to can't hear. They are dead. Wars aren't won based on casualty counts. Germany and their allies had almost twice the Stalingrad casualties as did the Soviets. Hitler demanded that German forces fight to their death. Many did and they loss the war. Japan used humans as bombs and torpedoes, and once al their kamikaze pilots were dead there was no one left to defend the skies overhead.

Of all the participants in WW2, The US and UK had by far the fewest casualties. By your measure they lost the war :) By my measure they won and for the best of reasons, they valued human life and didn't view soldiers and sailors as expendable pieces of meat.

@Heartlander
If the US and UK value human life, there would be no wars.

@Vin53
A swarm of Shahed drones could overwhelm air defense protecting the carriers. Whatever get through could cause a mess on the flight decks. The fighter jets are as finicky as high class women. They can't take off unless the decks are swept clean as whistles. Ingestion of debris would wreck the thrusters of the $100 million F35 C.

@sree251 Wanna bet against 7 or so CWIS against your storm of drones? I'd take that bet. It still wouldn't have much of an effect against a US carrier other than slowing air sorties for a bit.

@Vin53
You mean CIWS? You have got to watch where you shoot. The drones could be flying in between two US navy ships.


Perhaps, you need to ask the deck crew task with cleaning the flight deck. Have you any idea how big that flight deck is on the Gerald Ford? What do you do for a living?

@MasterLee
Their skins are flayed by Iranian strikes on US bases from Kuwait to Doha. Chances are the emirs will be thrown out by their Arab populations.

@sree251 pure speculation

@MasterLee
True. I have been speculating all my life in the commodity, currency, and stock markets.

@swirlie
The Iranians know they are fighting with Donald Trump and not fighting with the USA. At any rate, when the smoke clears, the US will be kicked out of the Middle East.


Trump is trapped in Iran. Trump is indeed a man of peace. He has destroyed US legitimacy in the Middle East not to mention the destruction of NATO. Trump has ended US superpower hegemony.


Ok.


We don't pretend to know. What we know is what is known and shared on the internet.

@Vin53 They said literally the exact same thing about the Titanic and the Bismark and a whole host of ships that are now artificial reefs.

@Vin53 Sorry but that video is just cope and propaganda bragging about US carriers. Might as well have posted a clip from Top Gun for it's relevance.


The strait of Hormuz is so narrow that if the carrier entered the strait they could literally use that drone to call in regular tube artillery and blast away at the ships with that. Which would be an issue because modern naval ships are designed to defeat anti ship missiles not shells.

On top of that a ballistic missile can absolutely hit a large floating bomber base. And even THAD missile systems have been failing to defeat said missiles after ground targets.

This video also talks about anti ship missiles.

Something like the Fatah 2 which is hypersonic there is literally no SAM system in existence that is capable of intercepting something like that because it would require violating the laws of physics.

And even US think tanks that analyze these things have been pointing this stuff out since the early 2000s even before hypersonic missiles were operational.


You also don't need to sink the ship. You just need one hit on the flight deck and the entire air wing is grounded and it is an operational kill.

All western planes require perfectly smooth runways whether on land or at sea. Western aircraft are literally incapable of taking off anywhere that the enemy can damage your runways.

Hell even a cluster munition over a flight deck might do enough damage.

With missiles like the Fatah 2 you are also looking at missiles with multiple warheads that can be independently directed similar to an Oreshnik (although the Fatah only has 2 warheads).


And again literally all you have to do to take a carrier out of the fight is damage the flight deck.

Carriers also are not designed to survive swarms of drones and saturation tactics. And the US and Israel have proven they have completely ignored 3 years of war in Ukraine because they have demonstrated that they have no tactical response to drones. And like their land base counterparts you can blind air defense on the ships with drones taking out the radars and after that you are a sitting duck.

Arrogance is how you end up with ships at the bottom with all hands lost.

@sree251 'money-hungry Christian Evangelist businessman' is a redundancy