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Diesel 18 wheelers are officially dead. Tesla electric semi has 500 mile range and about half the fuel cost.



Guess what a diesel 18 wheeler semi (the tractor/cab) stickers for? $150,00 on average. They can go as high as $250,000. You can get a basic brand X model for $90,000, but those have the worst fuel economy and other drawbacks. What’s the MPG for the good ones? 6.5 mpg. That’s if you know how to use all the gears. Some have 20 gears and that gets you better mileage. Don’t ride the clutch!

Diesel fuel costs $3.70 per gallon. (It was $4.99 a gallon in 2022). To go 500 miles in a diesel semi you'd use 77 gallons and it would cost you close to $300. Ask for a credit limit increase on your Visa card, if you’re going across country.

DHL (shipping company, like Fed Ex and UPS) tested a Tesla semi for a couple of weeks. (see link at bottom). It needed 2KwH per mile. Electricity costs 20 cents per KwH (on average – some public chargers rip you off for double or triple). So it costs 40 cents per mile in a Tesla semi, $200 to go the same 500 miles. Let me repeat that – fuel costs are cut by 1/3.

Tesla might about to win the commercial/semi-truck lottery here. Good thing, because nobody wants their dumpster styled cyberpunk truck. Tesla’s share price has bizarrely doubled (from $250 to nearly $500) in the past 9 months, amidst falling sales of its consumer vehicles. Investment analysts are evidently betting the farm on Tesla’s new semi.

There are only two potential problems. You can’t top off these mammoths at a Wawa public charger. You need dedicated chargers at your fleet lot. Or at truck stops.

The other is capital investment. It costs $150,000 to put a Tesla semi on the road. And they are going to be better on local trips, not long-haul "one lap of America" runs, where the energy recovered from braking is minimal. But still, if you’re a fleet operator considering a diesel engine with 16 cylinders, vs an electric motor, which one scares you the most about future breakdowns, maintenance, and repairs?

I’m just sayin’ . . .



DHL took a Tesla electric semi for a test drive and it was left shocked by the outcome
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This has been debunked probably a year ago now.


This is at best a tech demonstrator, not a viable product yet.


The fatal flaw that is not discussed here at all is trucking everywhere has regulations on maximum weights. That is the total weight of the truck, not just the max weight of your cargo.

The current batteries are way too heavy. This creates a fatal problem because you cannot haul large enough quantities of product to make them profitable. About the only exceptions would be something like CPUs that weigh a few grams but are worth a few hundred dollars per unit.

Anything else and you cannot haul enough cargo to make it make sense.

Basically we will need to come up with battery tech that drops the weight by quite a bit before a semi goes electric.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you probably hated it when the first Tesla hit the road too? "There were 10 million gasoline cars sold this year !!!!!! Aaagghh !!!)
@SusanInFlorida Not at all. I actually want EVs to succeed but I almost am not going to support glazing Elon Musk out of some Ayn Rand "maker" billionaire worship.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow i don't want "all EVs to succeed".

I don't want all television shows greenlighted for another season

i don't want all data centers fast tracked for construction

i don't want all narcotics legalized

i don't want all housing subsidized

i don't want extra guac on my stuff from Taco Bell
TexChik · F
The electrical grid can not support charging a fleet of electric semis. Thus, diesel-powered generators will still be necessary, at approximately the same fuel consumption rate. How long does it take to recharge? What if it's extremely hot or cold where the load needs to go? How far can the EV travel then? How much longer will it take to ship a load cross-country (in the US)? Time is money. Long-haul drivers operate in teams; while one driver sleeps, the other can drive to deliver the load promptly. EV passenger cars are expensive. A Tesla cyber Truck costs up to $115,000.00, the batteries cost $45,000 each. I would believe that a cyber truck capable of pulling heavy loads would cost 2-3 times that as well as the battery costs. Being cheaper than a diesel truck is not likely. Charging stations cost Billions under Biden, so where is the savings?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@TexChik When they start selling lectricity by the gallon I'll start paying attention to that bullschiff
TexChik · F
@sunsporter1649 It sounds good on paper when you leave out all the details and overlook all of the lies. EVs are not viable as the primary source of transportation. Sure, they are great for tooling around town, but who has the money for a hobby car and then an internal combustion vehicle for the real world?
pdockal · 56-60, M
Diesel is still king for long-haul, remote routes requiring maximum range without long stops.

Tesla Semi: Initial estimates were $150k-$200k, but production models are speculated to be much higher, potentially near $250k-$400k+ with recent inflation/delays.

Freightliner/Volvo/Kenworth: Competitors like the eCascadia or VNR Electric often fall in the $200k - $500k range
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@pdockal agreed. remote routes will be diesel until the sun rises in the west and hell freezes over. it's not like tossing recharge kiosks into library parking lots.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
because drivers are just chomping at the bit to buy a truck that they don't have the right to repair...🤔

tesla hasn't been keeping up with John Deere obviously... farmers trading in their "superior" JD's for older non/electronic models...
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Yeah not likely. Look at the electric busses that all the cities bought and are now sitting in a shed somewhere because they have no range in cold weather and take forever to refill. Just one question though. Where is all that electricity going to come from? Coal? Natural gas? Nuclear? Hydro? Biomass?
swirlie · 31-35
In Sweden, 90% of all vehicles are EVs, whereas 100% of all heavy commercial trucks are diesel. This is because there still remains an issue with battery range if the outside air temperature falls within the freezing range and below, at which point the range is reduced by as much as 25%.

The same range issue applies if the temp rises to 30C/90F because the batteries can only be charged to the 80% capacity level due to overheating, which means the range is reduced by 20% on hot charging days before you even leave the charging station.

And like you said, a truck charger that is required is not found at a roadside rest stop like they are for cars in Sweden!
@swirlie Because of the weight of the batteries that currently exist it also limits the type of cargo they can carry in quantities that are profitable so it will be a niche thing for awhile.
swirlie · 31-35
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
That is correct.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
How much are replacement batteries
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Virgo79 good one, lol. nobody knows. "how much do you have in your checking account".

replacement batteries for just about any EV amount to 30-50% of the vehicle's value at the point of failure.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
How many hours does it take to recharge that thing?
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@sunsporter1649 probably faster the more voltage you use. 800 watt fast DC chargers can do a model Y in 20-30 minutes. For a tesla semi, how does 5KwH DC chargers sound?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@SusanInFlorida The duration required to fuel a semi-truck is determined by its massive fuel capacity and the flow rate of commercial diesel pumps. A typical long-haul tractor uses dual fuel tanks, usually holding a total capacity ranging from 200 to 300 gallons. This capacity allows the truck to travel well over a thousand miles before needing to stop, reducing the frequency of refueling.

To handle this volume efficiently, truck stops use high-flow commercial dispensers that operate at a rate far exceeding those found at public gas stations. These specialized pumps deliver diesel at approximately 50 to 60 gallons per minute (GPM). Consequently, a driver adding 100 to 150 gallons results in an actual pumping time of only two to three minutes. However, the overall process, including pulling up and setting the nozzle, often extends the total time for a substantial fill to between 10 and 20 minutes.
Isn’t all that gas kind of heavy? @SusanInFlorida @sunsporter1649
Where is this mythical 150 thousand dollar Tesla Semi!! 😂
More like 300 thousand dollars not including the charging station that will add another hundred grand to the cost!!
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
Electric semi trucks are out of reach with current battery technology. A solid state battery might help in charging time but weight is still an issue as well as infrastructure and charge life,,
Charging stations for even modest fleets would be costly and impractical.
There won’t be a practical battery semi truck until battery technology advances far beyond what is possible today
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Telcontar When they start selling lectricity by the gallon I'll start paying attention to that bullschiff
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Telcontar do you have a link to this cost?
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
500 mile range is useless here in Australia.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@Thevy29 no doubt. they already string trailers behind a semi as if it's a train - up to 6 or more - and barrel across dirt roads where it's too expensive to lay railroad tracks or pave anything. good thing it never rains there.
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